Manifest v3 was introduced in 2018. By the time v2 is deprecated (if it ever happens), the transition will have spanned three US presidential administrations.
I don't think it matters for Google. Google is an ad company. Every customer with an ad-blocker is not a customer, it's just a cost. The same goes for every single site on the Internet that has ads. None of them will care if someone who doesn't see ads can't access the website any longer.
I don't really "use Youtube." The algorithm has a ridiculous recency bias so it's full of the newest drama, which I dislike. And even then for a lot of things I'd rather have text than video. But I know a lot of people spend hours every day on Youtube and they will not purchase a subscription to get rid of ads, and they will instead use an ad-blocker. They won't donate to Youtubers but they will use extensions to skip parts of the video that talk about sponsorship.
It makes me think... if people won't pay a subscription to watch hours and hours of video online, they won't give money for anything less either. I've seen some say that they use ad-blockers because some ads may contain malware, or because of some privacy concerns, trying to keep their high moral ground while they access content without paying. The alternative of just... not accessing Youtube or ad-infested websites if you don't like their business model doesn't seem to cross their minds. If the entire Internet was really so full of malware ads trying to steal my private information, I would have uninstalled my web browser ages ago.
To make matters worse, the few websites that do not use ads have paywalls. Guess what happens then? If you post paywalled content, people complain it's behind a paywall. Paywalled contained is looked down upon, compared to freely accessible content, which contains ads, but the ads are ALSO looked down upon. Someone will copy the paywalled text and post it on social media for others to access for free, without ads.
It makes me think that the problem was never the ads.
the problem in my opinion is the perceived value of an individual video.
if youtube videos were looked at, as must have, viewer support might tick upward a bit. the value is probably connected to the creator of the video rather than youtube itself. i personally look forward to hearing from the creator,rather than the conduit, if there was a way to just mail a 5er to the actual video creator, no problems, i would do that.
I’m just not going to update and limit the sites I visit. If I need to go to a more risky site, use a browser I have auto-update on to keep latest patches and vurlns at bay(ish)
This has taken so long I originally switched to Firefox a little less than ~4 years ago, switched back a couple years later and continued using v2, and have now switched to other Chromium based browsers that weren't even announced at the start of this journey.
It'll be interesting which Chromium downstreams end up maintaining manifest v2 vs which pitch built in blocking a la "but we have adblocking at home" style and how that actually pans out in where the power users go.
Based on current trends, it seems Brave will be the only browser that maintains Manifest v2 support in Chrome. They have a specific panel in settings that allows installation of specific extensions, including uBlock Origin.
Brave has been a bit gray about it. E.g. sure they have that panel and say they'll do things to support it but then when pressed on how they'll say they'll only keep doing that as long as the code paths remain in Chromium. I.e. they are more than willing to keep it enabled but not necessarily willing to commit to maintaining it if/when it is removed from upstream Chromium.
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Wonder how many people are going to uninstall because of this dialogue.
Also, is there an arrival date for V3 now?
https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/develop/migrate...
Manifest v3 was introduced in 2018. By the time v2 is deprecated (if it ever happens), the transition will have spanned three US presidential administrations.
MV3 is still buggy and incomplete. Up until 2022 basic stuff like i18n wasn't even working.
Asking as a browser contributor, what do you feel is missing from MV3?
I don't think it matters for Google. Google is an ad company. Every customer with an ad-blocker is not a customer, it's just a cost. The same goes for every single site on the Internet that has ads. None of them will care if someone who doesn't see ads can't access the website any longer.
I don't really "use Youtube." The algorithm has a ridiculous recency bias so it's full of the newest drama, which I dislike. And even then for a lot of things I'd rather have text than video. But I know a lot of people spend hours every day on Youtube and they will not purchase a subscription to get rid of ads, and they will instead use an ad-blocker. They won't donate to Youtubers but they will use extensions to skip parts of the video that talk about sponsorship.
It makes me think... if people won't pay a subscription to watch hours and hours of video online, they won't give money for anything less either. I've seen some say that they use ad-blockers because some ads may contain malware, or because of some privacy concerns, trying to keep their high moral ground while they access content without paying. The alternative of just... not accessing Youtube or ad-infested websites if you don't like their business model doesn't seem to cross their minds. If the entire Internet was really so full of malware ads trying to steal my private information, I would have uninstalled my web browser ages ago.
To make matters worse, the few websites that do not use ads have paywalls. Guess what happens then? If you post paywalled content, people complain it's behind a paywall. Paywalled contained is looked down upon, compared to freely accessible content, which contains ads, but the ads are ALSO looked down upon. Someone will copy the paywalled text and post it on social media for others to access for free, without ads.
It makes me think that the problem was never the ads.
the problem in my opinion is the perceived value of an individual video.
if youtube videos were looked at, as must have, viewer support might tick upward a bit. the value is probably connected to the creator of the video rather than youtube itself. i personally look forward to hearing from the creator,rather than the conduit, if there was a way to just mail a 5er to the actual video creator, no problems, i would do that.
chrome 88 seems to be holding onto manifest v2.
manifest v3 has been pushing out since early june this year, for stable releases i think.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38301801
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/chrome-users-beware-ma...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_V3
I’m just not going to update and limit the sites I visit. If I need to go to a more risky site, use a browser I have auto-update on to keep latest patches and vurlns at bay(ish)
A few techies hither and thither will but not many.
I ended up switching to Firefox lol
(I'm probably in a minority)
This has taken so long I originally switched to Firefox a little less than ~4 years ago, switched back a couple years later and continued using v2, and have now switched to other Chromium based browsers that weren't even announced at the start of this journey.
It'll be interesting which Chromium downstreams end up maintaining manifest v2 vs which pitch built in blocking a la "but we have adblocking at home" style and how that actually pans out in where the power users go.
Based on current trends, it seems Brave will be the only browser that maintains Manifest v2 support in Chrome. They have a specific panel in settings that allows installation of specific extensions, including uBlock Origin.
Brave has been a bit gray about it. E.g. sure they have that panel and say they'll do things to support it but then when pressed on how they'll say they'll only keep doing that as long as the code paths remain in Chromium. I.e. they are more than willing to keep it enabled but not necessarily willing to commit to maintaining it if/when it is removed from upstream Chromium.
I am waiting for uBO to stop working to mkve over Google Chrome.