All this story and your conclusion underlines for me is what I already knew: Never ever tell the system that you have a problem. Working on fixing it yourself always has less fallout then whatever the system might be thinking is best for you. Just dont trust em, they will detain you forever and take away your individual rights.
In the end it's a philosophical question: if you value individual freedom above all else, why even have a suicide prevention hotline? If you can agree that preventing suicides should be something society (sounds better than "the system") wants, and you create a suicide prevention hotline, how far should they be allowed to go to prevent suicides? The people working there will of course want to help people, and may even be made liable if they don't do everything in their power to help someone once they know of their situation. Or at the very least, limiting what they are allowed to do to help someone will lead to burn-out: imagine how traumatizing it is to know that someone you talked to then went through with their suicide because you weren't allowed to track their phone?
Again, that is why I wrote it is best to never trust the system with topics like that. Because they will detain you, and explain why that was necessary to prevent trauma of the phone staff, or whatever they will think of to explain their actions. BTW, trauma is only a result of clinging. If you know deep down that it is a personal decision and some circumstances can really be harsh, you shouldn't have a problem accepting someones decision to end their life. It is only a problem for you if you think you are special and need to meddle with other peoples lifes, also know as bigotry.
It’s not philosophical at all. It’s the boring practical reality that letting the government into your personal life is likely to completely screw said life over.
Don’t ring the hotline, go to a priest. He will listen, offer some guidance that may help, and won’t put you in a system from which you may never escape. People need someone they can talk to knowing that they are still in some control of the outcome. Or they just won’t call.
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All this story and your conclusion underlines for me is what I already knew: Never ever tell the system that you have a problem. Working on fixing it yourself always has less fallout then whatever the system might be thinking is best for you. Just dont trust em, they will detain you forever and take away your individual rights.
In the end it's a philosophical question: if you value individual freedom above all else, why even have a suicide prevention hotline? If you can agree that preventing suicides should be something society (sounds better than "the system") wants, and you create a suicide prevention hotline, how far should they be allowed to go to prevent suicides? The people working there will of course want to help people, and may even be made liable if they don't do everything in their power to help someone once they know of their situation. Or at the very least, limiting what they are allowed to do to help someone will lead to burn-out: imagine how traumatizing it is to know that someone you talked to then went through with their suicide because you weren't allowed to track their phone?
Again, that is why I wrote it is best to never trust the system with topics like that. Because they will detain you, and explain why that was necessary to prevent trauma of the phone staff, or whatever they will think of to explain their actions. BTW, trauma is only a result of clinging. If you know deep down that it is a personal decision and some circumstances can really be harsh, you shouldn't have a problem accepting someones decision to end their life. It is only a problem for you if you think you are special and need to meddle with other peoples lifes, also know as bigotry.
It’s not philosophical at all. It’s the boring practical reality that letting the government into your personal life is likely to completely screw said life over.
Don’t ring the hotline, go to a priest. He will listen, offer some guidance that may help, and won’t put you in a system from which you may never escape. People need someone they can talk to knowing that they are still in some control of the outcome. Or they just won’t call.