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If your threat model has someone stealing your private key and breaking/obtaining the password to it, none of the other measures are going to mean anything as they have root on your box. With root they can bypass the access restrictions, knocking, whatever else. 2FA with an external device would probably make more sense than any of them and be significantly less irritating.

That assumes that stealing your private key is the same thing as sending arbitrary packets from your machine, otherwise things like restricting subnets/ip addresses and port knocking could still be useful layers. How different exfil of a private key from being able to send arbitrary packets on the user's machine is...probably not that different under most circumstances I'd guess.

they have root on your box

Or they have your discarded dead drive from your backup disk that you forgot to enable full disk encryption on. Or they rooted a machine that you were using "ssh -A" on to forward your agent, and have been able to temporarily hijack your SSH agent session. Or there's an information disclosure vulnerability in your web browser that allows them to read files from your hard drive, though without control of what files they can read, and by chance the attacker got lucky and one of the files was .ssh/id_rsa.

While the above description goes way further than I probably would, and yeah, 2FA would be more reasonable, there are good reasons to practice defense in depth, and try to design systems that have a chance of staying secure even if one of your assumptions fails like "private key is compromised".

If your threat model is someone stealing and cracking your private key, you really ought to be more worried that they are going to use their time machine to go back in time and kill your mother.

Both actions happen at the same time, someone phishes you, captures your input and they have the password for it as well. Now that they've got a shell on your box IP address restrictions are bypassed as well, as is port knocking. This is completely plausible, time machines are not. I read a (private) incident report very recently where half a company had their devices spear phished in order to gain access to a single internal server.

Oh, someone capturing your private key's passphrase is something to be genuinely worried about.

Someone brute forcing said passphrase? Yeah no.

I'd recommend encrypting your private keys if needed with a pass-phrase. I'd also recommend still requiring a sudo password on the other end and sending auth events to a auditing server.

2 factor with a token is ideal, I suppose I should have added that to the list, but that is outside of feasibility for most users.

Still, for someone who doesn't have RSA tokens etc available, assuming your remote machine doesn't get owned and someone doesn't extract your pass-phrase with a wrench, that list makes for a very secure system.

I'd also recommend still requiring a sudo password on the other end and sending auth events to a auditing server.

You should be auditing everything already, and adding in sudo now adds another attack vector. You also now have two different accounts that can be manipulated to compromise a system.

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