Sweden is the best example of what happens when you have a completely liberal society. And, of course, it's bleeding to lots of places. And if you call them out, you are called racist.
Agreed. Instead of letting only smart/educated immigrants in, they let EVERYONE in. This is a horrible idea.
If you want to help the poor outside of your country, you should help them elevate themselves, not lower your own country to the global average.
The political correctness trumps everything in Sweden. You can't discuss the violence of Islam without being called a racist (even if Islam is not a race).
this is what switzerland is doing, and it seem one of very few countries, who got the immigration right from the start, in long term.
it's a tricky situation... there is more people trying to come here in europe than there is sustainable place (economically wise) to be absorbed into. we have quite a bit of an economical crisis going on here, which doesn't help. so basically masses march in, we have no job for them, meaning they don't contribute to our society, just consume.
on the other side, they often come from horrible places, have to endure the travel with real chances of dying. that should tell you a bit how desperate they are.
In ideal world, we should focus our resources on improving state of their home countries, so they don't have to run away in first place.
In real world... since many screwed countries are results of US (CIA, military) meddling with their internals and failing spectacularly (or succeeding greatly, depending on what the real objectives were), I say forward a large portion of them there. After first 100.000, let's talk :)
I think user mahouse has confused liberal with European socialism (as opposed to Soviet socialism) and is blaming socialist policies for the death of Sweden. There is some truth in that Scandinavia has gone too far in favor of the world's poor at the expense of it's own citizens (by truth, read: popular opinion).
But let us not forget what Scandinavia was like (and still is) without the mass immigration of 'those brown people', it was an Aryan wet dream with everything for us and none for you. In many ways the modern Scandinavia is a hugely successful human accomplishment. While some people have less (of material things) many have had their lives improved enormously. For every "svarte neger" that hits the headlines as a rapist, 10000+ or more no longer have to live in poverty, in a war zone, under an oppressive regime. Shed a tear for the leftists who saw a way to make the world a better place one life at a time, made that happen with their country's wealth even at the expense (in limited financial terms) of some, and have created a positive liberal society striving to reach a worthwhile ideal. The old Sweden is dead, long live Sweden!
What the blogger fails to address (and I haven't read more than that one post) is how any of this affects him, why this means he has to go back to the US and why any of us should give a shit about his tabloid fueled opinion.
He's talking right-wing American English, where "liberal" strongly overlaps with "communist/socialist".
Americans are fond of reverting long-standing European political conventions "just because". Historical Liberalism was all about free trade and low taxes? Let's use the term for the party that supports higher taxes and regulations. Red is for socialists, blue for conservatives? Let's swap them! How fun!
(Not that it matters anyway, the entire European discourse is a million miles to the left of anything being discussed in the Land of the Free. The world is so weird.)
The use of the word "liberal" in the US drove me nuts the first few months I lived in the US. I used to be identify myself as a "Liberal" in Germany and constantly felt misrepresented when people were talking about "liberals" in the US. Weird enough the term that comes closest to what I understand as European liberalism is libertarianism. So we had to throw in a syllable to make up for the word that's being used everywhere else having been hijacked. I wonder if some of this is fallout from the insane two party system.
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Sweden is the best example of what happens when you have a completely liberal society. And, of course, it's bleeding to lots of places. And if you call them out, you are called racist.
Agreed. Instead of letting only smart/educated immigrants in, they let EVERYONE in. This is a horrible idea.
If you want to help the poor outside of your country, you should help them elevate themselves, not lower your own country to the global average.
The political correctness trumps everything in Sweden. You can't discuss the violence of Islam without being called a racist (even if Islam is not a race).
this is what switzerland is doing, and it seem one of very few countries, who got the immigration right from the start, in long term.
it's a tricky situation... there is more people trying to come here in europe than there is sustainable place (economically wise) to be absorbed into. we have quite a bit of an economical crisis going on here, which doesn't help. so basically masses march in, we have no job for them, meaning they don't contribute to our society, just consume.
on the other side, they often come from horrible places, have to endure the travel with real chances of dying. that should tell you a bit how desperate they are.
In ideal world, we should focus our resources on improving state of their home countries, so they don't have to run away in first place.
In real world... since many screwed countries are results of US (CIA, military) meddling with their internals and failing spectacularly (or succeeding greatly, depending on what the real objectives were), I say forward a large portion of them there. After first 100.000, let's talk :)
Completely liberal?? Drinking is extremely expensive and regulated, drugs are strictly forbidden.
It's full of subsidies and welfare in many aspects of life and society, not sure what you're talking about.
It's very liberal in some senses, but calling it a completely liberal society is silly.
I think user mahouse has confused liberal with European socialism (as opposed to Soviet socialism) and is blaming socialist policies for the death of Sweden. There is some truth in that Scandinavia has gone too far in favor of the world's poor at the expense of it's own citizens (by truth, read: popular opinion).
But let us not forget what Scandinavia was like (and still is) without the mass immigration of 'those brown people', it was an Aryan wet dream with everything for us and none for you. In many ways the modern Scandinavia is a hugely successful human accomplishment. While some people have less (of material things) many have had their lives improved enormously. For every "svarte neger" that hits the headlines as a rapist, 10000+ or more no longer have to live in poverty, in a war zone, under an oppressive regime. Shed a tear for the leftists who saw a way to make the world a better place one life at a time, made that happen with their country's wealth even at the expense (in limited financial terms) of some, and have created a positive liberal society striving to reach a worthwhile ideal. The old Sweden is dead, long live Sweden!
What the blogger fails to address (and I haven't read more than that one post) is how any of this affects him, why this means he has to go back to the US and why any of us should give a shit about his tabloid fueled opinion.
He's talking right-wing American English, where "liberal" strongly overlaps with "communist/socialist".
Americans are fond of reverting long-standing European political conventions "just because". Historical Liberalism was all about free trade and low taxes? Let's use the term for the party that supports higher taxes and regulations. Red is for socialists, blue for conservatives? Let's swap them! How fun!
(Not that it matters anyway, the entire European discourse is a million miles to the left of anything being discussed in the Land of the Free. The world is so weird.)
The use of the word "liberal" in the US drove me nuts the first few months I lived in the US. I used to be identify myself as a "Liberal" in Germany and constantly felt misrepresented when people were talking about "liberals" in the US. Weird enough the term that comes closest to what I understand as European liberalism is libertarianism. So we had to throw in a syllable to make up for the word that's being used everywhere else having been hijacked. I wonder if some of this is fallout from the insane two party system.
Care to explain what that somewhat cryptic comment actually means?