* Either you do follow the news, but you are trolling out the actual issues at hand that have been raised, making which is very unproductive
* OR you do follow the news, and you purposefully blind yourself to the stories about the NSA for whatever reason (maybe you think everybody's a conspiratard, or you think all this stuff is fine, or...).
* OR you are blatantly lying to me here and don't actually follow the news. I don't deal with liars.
In none of those worlds is it worth replying to the question you just asked.
I'll be happy to take a correction, though. So go ahead.
I'm saying that, as far as I know after watching the news, the NSA has done nothing that's comparable to the historic examples of "secret lists of enemies of the state that public sector employers agree to not hire" or "attempting to drive a political figure to suicide".
The most egregious offense I've heard of (and this is not the NSA) is the harassment of Applebaum and the like at US borders. Based on Laura Poitras' public statements, this has stopped for her. I hope it has for Jacob as well, as I think that's a really obvious move in the right direction.
The rest of the news I don't find to be especially egregious violations. Perhaps we differ in world view w.r.t. the NSA and the role that it serves in our society - what do you see that role as being?
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... are you serious? Did you not read the news at any point between 2013 and 2015?
Yes, I follow the news. Do you have something specific in mind?
There's one of three worlds, here.
* Either you do follow the news, but you are trolling out the actual issues at hand that have been raised, making which is very unproductive
* OR you do follow the news, and you purposefully blind yourself to the stories about the NSA for whatever reason (maybe you think everybody's a conspiratard, or you think all this stuff is fine, or...).
* OR you are blatantly lying to me here and don't actually follow the news. I don't deal with liars.
In none of those worlds is it worth replying to the question you just asked.
I'll be happy to take a correction, though. So go ahead.
I'm saying that, as far as I know after watching the news, the NSA has done nothing that's comparable to the historic examples of "secret lists of enemies of the state that public sector employers agree to not hire" or "attempting to drive a political figure to suicide".
The most egregious offense I've heard of (and this is not the NSA) is the harassment of Applebaum and the like at US borders. Based on Laura Poitras' public statements, this has stopped for her. I hope it has for Jacob as well, as I think that's a really obvious move in the right direction.
The rest of the news I don't find to be especially egregious violations. Perhaps we differ in world view w.r.t. the NSA and the role that it serves in our society - what do you see that role as being?