If you are in high risk computing (or any number of fields) and screw up that bad, you better be able to handle being mocked. You should also sift through the mocking and learn something.
This is a pretty toxic part of our industry. Everyone, in every position or role, should be able to accept constructive criticism of their work. Likewise, everyone should give constructive criticism. If your role involves "high risk" $x, you should hold yourself to exceptionally high standards, but that doesn't include the expectation that folks should fling non-constructive mockery at your work.
To your second point, learning from other peoples less-than-constructive criticism does not require going out of your way to help those people in the future.
People get mocked for failure. You cannot do anything of any decent impact without getting mocked. Toxic or not that is how it is. You can try to shield everyone or you can deal with it. Heck, this board allows "mocking" in a nice, neat mechanical fashion via down voting. If saying something sucks isn't acceptable then down voting isn't either.
The high risk isn't just $. The time people had to spend fixing the last problem was painful. You can bet people will want to vent.
To your second point, learning from other peoples less-than-constructive criticism does not require going out of your way to help those people in the future.
Its not going out of your way, its being responsible. Not informing people of danger because they were mean to you is just bad karma on your part. I might not like someone, but I will tell that same someone about any danger. Any other behavior diminishes you as a person.
So does gleeful toxic shittery like mocking people, which you (apparently) support.
It's worth noting this sort of attitude doesn't cut it in actual high risk professions, like flying planes. The worst air disaster in history was caused in large part by one pilot belittling another, and the industry has moved away from such modes of operation.
On July 28, 2010
an Airbus A321 belonging to the Pakistani airline Airblue crashed on
its approach to Islamabad airport, killing all 152 people on board.
The weather at Islamabad was poor with deteriorating visibility; a
PIA flight had only managed to get down on its third attempt, and
a flight from China had turned back. But Captain Pervez Chaudhry,
with 35 years and more than 25,000 hours in the cockpit, was cleared
for landing. He ended up flying straight into a hill – having ignored
21 ground proximity ‘pull up’ warnings related to the rising terrain
he was approaching. The official report painted a damning picture
of the captain. The CVR showed that he had belittled his co-pilot
– a former Pakistani air force F16 pilot and squadron leader, but a
man with only a year’s civilian flying behind him – by lecturing him
and firing questions at him during the initial climb, and using ‘harsh
words and a snobbish tone towards him’ during the rest of the flight.
As a result, by the time disaster approached, the first officer had gone
into his shell, and ‘remained a passive bystander in the cockpit, failing
to supplement and compliment or to correct the errors of his captain
assertively due to the captain’s behaviour in the flight.’ The result of
Chaudhry’s arrogance and hubris was horrific.
As with the example you gave, though, a key reason for the crash was that "The flight engineer's and the first officer's apparent hesitation to challenge Veldhuyzen van Zanten further", leading to over 500 fatalities.
I do not support the mocking of anyone except politicians (because if you cannot mock your leaders then the canary just died). I can understand how it happens and have slipped myself.
I also do not support the withholding of information from a group in danger like you (apparently) do. Sometimes you suck it up and prioritize safety above vengeance.
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It's almost like belittling and mocking people makes them disinclined to work with you.
If you are in high risk computing (or any number of fields) and screw up that bad, you better be able to handle being mocked. You should also sift through the mocking and learn something.
This is a pretty toxic part of our industry. Everyone, in every position or role, should be able to accept constructive criticism of their work. Likewise, everyone should give constructive criticism. If your role involves "high risk" $x, you should hold yourself to exceptionally high standards, but that doesn't include the expectation that folks should fling non-constructive mockery at your work.
To your second point, learning from other peoples less-than-constructive criticism does not require going out of your way to help those people in the future.
People get mocked for failure. You cannot do anything of any decent impact without getting mocked. Toxic or not that is how it is. You can try to shield everyone or you can deal with it. Heck, this board allows "mocking" in a nice, neat mechanical fashion via down voting. If saying something sucks isn't acceptable then down voting isn't either.
The high risk isn't just $. The time people had to spend fixing the last problem was painful. You can bet people will want to vent.
Its not going out of your way, its being responsible. Not informing people of danger because they were mean to you is just bad karma on your part. I might not like someone, but I will tell that same someone about any danger. Any other behavior diminishes you as a person.
So does gleeful toxic shittery like mocking people, which you (apparently) support.
It's worth noting this sort of attitude doesn't cut it in actual high risk professions, like flying planes. The worst air disaster in history was caused in large part by one pilot belittling another, and the industry has moved away from such modes of operation.
Interesting, are you referring to this;
Actually, I was thinking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerife_airport_disaster
As with the example you gave, though, a key reason for the crash was that "The flight engineer's and the first officer's apparent hesitation to challenge Veldhuyzen van Zanten further", leading to over 500 fatalities.
I do not support the mocking of anyone except politicians (because if you cannot mock your leaders then the canary just died). I can understand how it happens and have slipped myself.
I also do not support the withholding of information from a group in danger like you (apparently) do. Sometimes you suck it up and prioritize safety above vengeance.