Parents discourage their children from engaging in potentially risky activities (eg. entrepreneur, startups, etc) because that puts their (the parents') future well-being in substantial jeopardy.
The weight of that jeopardy is best conveyed by the fact that there are ~300 families in Singapore that are receiving welfare, and each of those are handled on a case-by-case basis.
Caveat -- my understanding is based on the information provided by a friend living in Singapore, working in the tech industry, having spent some years trying to engender a startup culture. Apparently things are changing now, but that's the (recent) history.
I'm living in Hong Kong now and I see old people collecting cardboard and looking through bins more than once a day. It's not a good situation! There are more news stories of older people commiting suicide compared to the UK.
Five-ish years ago I was living in Singapore too but I don't recall ever seeing it there, especially nothing compared to Hong Kong.
Yeah, it's nothing compared to Hong Kong from what I've heard. Singapore actually have _some_ level of help, but I'm not an expert on that so don't quote me.
However, I meant the actual labouring. I saw a lot of elderly people working McDonalds and cleaning tables. By elderly, I mean 70+.
Then you live in a bubble. Go to T-Centralen. I used to see an older _Swedish_ lady every single Friday night on the green line between T-Centralen and Medis. She wears red, has 'rullator'.
Johan isn't alone. Go by the Göta Lejon theatre entrance, you will see Swedish homeless sleeping there. There of course also EU-Migrants nearby in the subway, but you can make out the difference I am sure.
Swedes sleep in their bubbles, thinking everything will be awesome while the government is going bat-shit crazy with (islamic) blasphemy laws, insane migration and allowing Jihadis into the government. Good luck with the pension and and credit-bubble.
Just read that Sweden gave asylum and permanent residency to an ISIS-rapist who tortured a man on camera. They even had a confession.
I'm a Kurd/Iranian, with immigrant and muslim parents. I grew up in Husby as made famous by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Stockholm_riots I guess anyone who don't share your opinions are "racist".
Swedes sure love to water down that word, "racist".
Try being a Kurd in Turkey or an apostate in an islamic country, then you will learn what racist means.
"...bat-shit crazy with (islamic) blasphemy laws, insane migration and allowing Jihadis into the government"
This says a lot about why you dislike the immigration-friendly Sweden of today. I have no desire to engage in a debate with a racist. I hope that the people on HN sharing your views will remain few.
As far as I can tell we have not gone "crazy with islamic blasphemy laws" nor do I find the generous immigration politics to be insane, but rather humane given the way the world currently looks. Statements similar to those made by seivan are frequently made by those who are openly racist.
As for the last point, it looked to me as though the implied reasoning was "Person with roots in the middle east = Jihadist", as this is also a frequent way to reason among real racists. If this was not the intention, which seems unlikely given the next post, I apologize for drawing a rushed conclusion. I have not seen anything indicating that we have elected any jihadists in our government, only people with roots outside Scandinavia. I follow several different media daily. I do not live in a bubble.
I suppose I'm more curious about the 'racist' part of it. 'Xenophobic', perhaps, but 'racism' doesn't really seem to be at the root of their statement.
I also worry that sometimes the 'r' word gets thrown around too much and starts to lose meaning after awhile (and 'racist' starts to become an all-encompassing term that doesn't actually mean anything), which is why I'm asking.
Given that they seem to have a strong dislike towards a particular group based on a post from yesterday that was flagkilled, racism did seem more appropriate. Though in this case it may be about religion, rather than race.
I do not wish to quote that post, but you can find it in their history after enabling the "showdead" option on your profile.
I would say we should be fixing broken countries, not helping some 1-2% of those countries to immigrate. It doesn't solve any problems for the rest 98% in those countries; and can take receiving countries on the verge of breakdown too if they fail to integrate those immigrants.
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Saw this in Singapore as well. I expect most countries will end up like this (except maybe Norway). Including "welfare" (HAH!) states like Sweden.
I see old people begging because lack of jobs - that's native Swedes, not just EU-migrants these days. Didn't see that 10 years ago.
Singapore is an interesting place in this regard.
Parents discourage their children from engaging in potentially risky activities (eg. entrepreneur, startups, etc) because that puts their (the parents') future well-being in substantial jeopardy.
The weight of that jeopardy is best conveyed by the fact that there are ~300 families in Singapore that are receiving welfare, and each of those are handled on a case-by-case basis.
Caveat -- my understanding is based on the information provided by a friend living in Singapore, working in the tech industry, having spent some years trying to engender a startup culture. Apparently things are changing now, but that's the (recent) history.
HK is doubtless more complicated.
I'm living in Hong Kong now and I see old people collecting cardboard and looking through bins more than once a day. It's not a good situation! There are more news stories of older people commiting suicide compared to the UK.
Five-ish years ago I was living in Singapore too but I don't recall ever seeing it there, especially nothing compared to Hong Kong.
Yeah, it's nothing compared to Hong Kong from what I've heard. Singapore actually have _some_ level of help, but I'm not an expert on that so don't quote me.
However, I meant the actual labouring. I saw a lot of elderly people working McDonalds and cleaning tables. By elderly, I mean 70+.
I am Swedish, and I can't say that I've seen (or even heard of) this where I live. Could you link any sources supporting your claim?
Then you live in a bubble. Go to T-Centralen. I used to see an older _Swedish_ lady every single Friday night on the green line between T-Centralen and Medis. She wears red, has 'rullator'.
http://www.etc.se/inrikes/utforsakrade-johan-maste-tigga-iho...
Johan isn't alone. Go by the Göta Lejon theatre entrance, you will see Swedish homeless sleeping there. There of course also EU-Migrants nearby in the subway, but you can make out the difference I am sure.
Swedes sleep in their bubbles, thinking everything will be awesome while the government is going bat-shit crazy with (islamic) blasphemy laws, insane migration and allowing Jihadis into the government. Good luck with the pension and and credit-bubble.
Just read that Sweden gave asylum and permanent residency to an ISIS-rapist who tortured a man on camera. They even had a confession.
Funny how I am painted as a racist.
I'm a Kurd/Iranian, with immigrant and muslim parents. I grew up in Husby as made famous by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Stockholm_riots I guess anyone who don't share your opinions are "racist".
Swedes sure love to water down that word, "racist". Try being a Kurd in Turkey or an apostate in an islamic country, then you will learn what racist means.
"...bat-shit crazy with (islamic) blasphemy laws, insane migration and allowing Jihadis into the government"
This says a lot about why you dislike the immigration-friendly Sweden of today. I have no desire to engage in a debate with a racist. I hope that the people on HN sharing your views will remain few.
What was racist about that?
As far as I can tell we have not gone "crazy with islamic blasphemy laws" nor do I find the generous immigration politics to be insane, but rather humane given the way the world currently looks. Statements similar to those made by seivan are frequently made by those who are openly racist.
As for the last point, it looked to me as though the implied reasoning was "Person with roots in the middle east = Jihadist", as this is also a frequent way to reason among real racists. If this was not the intention, which seems unlikely given the next post, I apologize for drawing a rushed conclusion. I have not seen anything indicating that we have elected any jihadists in our government, only people with roots outside Scandinavia. I follow several different media daily. I do not live in a bubble.
I suppose I'm more curious about the 'racist' part of it. 'Xenophobic', perhaps, but 'racism' doesn't really seem to be at the root of their statement.
I also worry that sometimes the 'r' word gets thrown around too much and starts to lose meaning after awhile (and 'racist' starts to become an all-encompassing term that doesn't actually mean anything), which is why I'm asking.
Given that they seem to have a strong dislike towards a particular group based on a post from yesterday that was flagkilled, racism did seem more appropriate. Though in this case it may be about religion, rather than race.
I do not wish to quote that post, but you can find it in their history after enabling the "showdead" option on your profile.
"the way the world currently looks"
I would say we should be fixing broken countries, not helping some 1-2% of those countries to immigrate. It doesn't solve any problems for the rest 98% in those countries; and can take receiving countries on the verge of breakdown too if they fail to integrate those immigrants.
Sweden is attempting to do both, being one of the largest givers of humanitarian aid per capita.
http://www.ibtimes.com/which-governments-are-most-generous-c... http://www.thelocal.se/20141130/sweden-fifth-largest-ebola-a...