Hmm. I wonder what the IRC logs of the Venezuelan "liberation" will look like? Actually for Venezuelan's sake hopefully the economic warfare already going on, along with the encroachment coming from the direction of Brazil during World Cup, will be enough to "integrate" them into the system (i.e. "liberate" them of control over their resources) without requiring overt military action.
As well as a map of all of the invasions and "liberations" with a timeline, and a list of official "reasons" for those military actions.
I like that idea. It could be really interesting and educating to play with an interactive map showing that. There are things like that appearing from time to time (like the article about Syria and Iraq from yesterday[0]); I hope that concept trend will catch on and we'll see more and more old and modern history knowledge expressed in interactive, explorable forms.
I think it would be good to have a map and timeline like that going back to the 10th century. Because I think that people _really_ could use some perspective.
Kind of an unified, explorable map of historical events, in which you can see how the borders looked like, could see various information overlays like trade routes, major wars, events, etc.? It's quite an endeavour but I believe a worthy one, and I hope a project like that will start soon.
This could have tremendous effect on people. It's BretVictoresque stuff, things that could expand the space of thoughts we have, and vastly increase our comprehention of information available.
To my former memory, the United States had always existed—there was never a time when there was no United States. I had not remembered, until that time, how the Roman Empire rose, and brought peace and order, and lasted through so many centuries, until I forgot that things had ever been otherwise; and yet the Empire fell, and barbarians overran my city, and the learning that I had possessed was lost. The modern world became more fragile to my eyes; it was not the first modern world.
So many mistakes, made over and over and over again, because I did not remember making them, in every era I never lived...
"CENTENNIA is a map-based guide to the history of Europe and the Middle East from the beginning of the 11th century to the present. It is a dynamic, animated historical atlas including over 9,000 border changes. The map controls evolve the map forward or backward in time bringing the static map to life. Our maps display every major war and territorial conflict displaying the status of each region at intervals of a tenth of a year."
For immediate satisfaction you might search history map of the world on YouTube. There are plenty of videos. At the other extreme you might buy an historical atlas. In between there are sites like http://www.chronoatlas.com/
The youtube one is a joke, it's got a lot if inacurracies, and it's not just about borders, but more importantly populations. That is what the Middle East is ultimately learning.
I toyed with this idea for my senior thesis back in college (and obviously never did it). My idea was to somehow identify specific geographic references in Wikipedia and correlate them with as specific a point in time as is possible, based on the context of the surrounding article, using the links between articles to show how people, events and places were related across time and space, somehow visualizing those connections.
(note all the "somehows")
In the end I took on a similar but much less difficult problem but the original idea has always been at the back of my mind.
somehow I think a supercomputer would come in handy for that, and who knows, someone is already "on it"! definitely interesting way to "see" this sort of information
I have wanted this for a few years now. This would definitely put things in perspective and make lots of people (and me!) understand history much better.
Too bad I am not competent enough to actually build something like this. I would definitely be up for helping out, though.
Large areas of WW2 were oil-related: North Africa, Indonesia, southern USSR (leading to Stalingrad), etc. I've not yet seen someone write the oil-orientated history of that war.
The Prize by Daniel Yergin devotes several chapters to the impact of oil in WW2, notably the destruction of the Shell complex at Balikpapan in the Pacific and Ike's decision to allocate fuel to Montgomery instead of Patton when stocks ran low, boosting Montgomery's march towards Antwerp but stopping Patton two days short of the Saar.
He covers everything from Japan's desire for the oil production of Indonesia to Germany's doomed synthetic fuel effort. The author also covers Nimitz's focus on denying oil resources to Japan, a strategy that eventually let him land several fatal blows to the Imperial Navy and end the war in the Pacific.
Nimitz was so successful in that strategy that near the end of the war, the Japanese began using kamikaze attacks against American naval vessels as a fuel-saving tactic, since pilots only required half as much fuel to complete their mission.
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I'd like to see IRC logs from other countries at the same time.
As well as a map of all of the invasions and "liberations" with a timeline, and a list of official "reasons" for those military actions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil...
Hmm. I wonder what the IRC logs of the Venezuelan "liberation" will look like? Actually for Venezuelan's sake hopefully the economic warfare already going on, along with the encroachment coming from the direction of Brazil during World Cup, will be enough to "integrate" them into the system (i.e. "liberate" them of control over their resources) without requiring overt military action.
I like that idea. It could be really interesting and educating to play with an interactive map showing that. There are things like that appearing from time to time (like the article about Syria and Iraq from yesterday[0]); I hope that concept trend will catch on and we'll see more and more old and modern history knowledge expressed in interactive, explorable forms.
[0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7985305
I think it would be good to have a map and timeline like that going back to the 10th century. Because I think that people _really_ could use some perspective.
Kind of an unified, explorable map of historical events, in which you can see how the borders looked like, could see various information overlays like trade routes, major wars, events, etc.? It's quite an endeavour but I believe a worthy one, and I hope a project like that will start soon.
This could have tremendous effect on people. It's BretVictoresque stuff, things that could expand the space of thoughts we have, and vastly increase our comprehention of information available.
Relevant, Making History Available: http://lesswrong.com/lw/j0/making_history_available/
A great article, thanks for linking it and also posting the most important quotes for this discussion.
You might want to have a look a Centennia:
"CENTENNIA is a map-based guide to the history of Europe and the Middle East from the beginning of the 11th century to the present. It is a dynamic, animated historical atlas including over 9,000 border changes. The map controls evolve the map forward or backward in time bringing the static map to life. Our maps display every major war and territorial conflict displaying the status of each region at intervals of a tenth of a year."
http://www.clockwk.com
For immediate satisfaction you might search history map of the world on YouTube. There are plenty of videos. At the other extreme you might buy an historical atlas. In between there are sites like http://www.chronoatlas.com/
The youtube one is a joke, it's got a lot if inacurracies, and it's not just about borders, but more importantly populations. That is what the Middle East is ultimately learning.
I toyed with this idea for my senior thesis back in college (and obviously never did it). My idea was to somehow identify specific geographic references in Wikipedia and correlate them with as specific a point in time as is possible, based on the context of the surrounding article, using the links between articles to show how people, events and places were related across time and space, somehow visualizing those connections.
(note all the "somehows")
In the end I took on a similar but much less difficult problem but the original idea has always been at the back of my mind.
somehow I think a supercomputer would come in handy for that, and who knows, someone is already "on it"! definitely interesting way to "see" this sort of information
I have wanted this for a few years now. This would definitely put things in perspective and make lots of people (and me!) understand history much better.
Too bad I am not competent enough to actually build something like this. I would definitely be up for helping out, though.
Large areas of WW2 were oil-related: North Africa, Indonesia, southern USSR (leading to Stalingrad), etc. I've not yet seen someone write the oil-orientated history of that war.
The Prize by Daniel Yergin devotes several chapters to the impact of oil in WW2, notably the destruction of the Shell complex at Balikpapan in the Pacific and Ike's decision to allocate fuel to Montgomery instead of Patton when stocks ran low, boosting Montgomery's march towards Antwerp but stopping Patton two days short of the Saar.
He covers everything from Japan's desire for the oil production of Indonesia to Germany's doomed synthetic fuel effort. The author also covers Nimitz's focus on denying oil resources to Japan, a strategy that eventually let him land several fatal blows to the Imperial Navy and end the war in the Pacific.
Nimitz was so successful in that strategy that near the end of the war, the Japanese began using kamikaze attacks against American naval vessels as a fuel-saving tactic, since pilots only required half as much fuel to complete their mission.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Prize-Quest-Money-Power/dp/1439110...