I don't have time to refute this kind of wrong-headed thinking in detail. Suffice it to say that I'm not just talking about fast food per se, I'm talking about the entire way that modern industrially prepared foodstuffs are processed, the huge proportion of grain that goes into it, and the way flavors are extracted and re-added while completely separating them from the nutritional value that said flavors would normally signal to our organism. Spraying on vitamins is not the same as eating a fresh vegetable or animal meat that is known to contain those vitamins.
Simply put, we are in the nutritional dark ages right now. You exemplify my point perfectly by looking at the issue through an economic lens, and ignoring the difficult to pin down issues like the explosion of obesity and diabetes. Now you claim that I have no idea what I'm talking about, and I claim the same about you, but mark my words in 100 years people will look back on the diet of today with the same horror that they look back on bloodletting as medical practice.
You do have time to correct my thinking because you attempted to correct it.
Mark your words?
You talk about being in the nutritional dark ages then mention eating fresh animal meat
No evidence exists anywhere that human beings should consume meat. Our digestive tracts are 4X longer than any other animal that consumes meat (which leads to rotting flesh in our body (not ideal)) and in repeated tests the sight and smell of fresh meat fails to incite child salivary glands but fresh fruit and vegetables does.
Unlike actual carnivorous animals which are equipped with the teeth, claws and digestive means to eat meat. Young offspring naturally hunt other prey and salivate at the prospect of flesh/organs.
To paraphrase yourself - mark my words, we will look back on the human consumption of meat with the same horror that considered bloodletting as a medical practice.
Disclaimer - I eat meat despite the huge risks to my wellbeing.
Test - Leave a toddler in a playpen with a rabbit; trust me he won't attempt to fucking eat it. He has not been social conditioned to see the consumption of meat as normal.
Leave an omnivorous or carnivorous animal in a locked environment with the same rabbit. You will need a new rabbit.
It's completely relevant. You are discriminating against fast food without any attempt to apply your arbitrary reasoning to other foodstuffs you consider "wholesome" or "good".
It's not relevant because I did not say what you said I said. You are putting words in my mouth and you are being intellectually dishonest about it. I am done with this conversation.
You did say "animal meat", whether or not "fresh" only applied to vegetables, in which case the debate is about the value of meat in human consumption.
There's no debate here. ZenPro at no point engaged in my actual argument. Every step of the way he decided what he thought I meant by some stereotypes in his head and then attacked me with that as if speaking his caricature of me loud enough would make it so.
Now maybe he just trolled me masterfully, in which case, well played; but if he really believes any of his own bullshit I feel sorry for the dimwit and everyone who has to deal with him.
Given your technical position you are clearly not a moron, but in regards to non-technical matters you sound like a child. Seriously, just shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing yourself.
You know you are losing an argument about nutrition when you resort to UNIX commands as an insult.
Once you decided you knew what I thought better than me and willfully ignored every statement I made then yes I made the conscious decision to act like a dick to you. My apologies to DanBC, but I'm not made of stone.
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I don't have time to refute this kind of wrong-headed thinking in detail. Suffice it to say that I'm not just talking about fast food per se, I'm talking about the entire way that modern industrially prepared foodstuffs are processed, the huge proportion of grain that goes into it, and the way flavors are extracted and re-added while completely separating them from the nutritional value that said flavors would normally signal to our organism. Spraying on vitamins is not the same as eating a fresh vegetable or animal meat that is known to contain those vitamins.
Simply put, we are in the nutritional dark ages right now. You exemplify my point perfectly by looking at the issue through an economic lens, and ignoring the difficult to pin down issues like the explosion of obesity and diabetes. Now you claim that I have no idea what I'm talking about, and I claim the same about you, but mark my words in 100 years people will look back on the diet of today with the same horror that they look back on bloodletting as medical practice.
You do have time to correct my thinking because you attempted to correct it.
Mark your words?
You talk about being in the nutritional dark ages then mention eating fresh animal meat
No evidence exists anywhere that human beings should consume meat. Our digestive tracts are 4X longer than any other animal that consumes meat (which leads to rotting flesh in our body (not ideal)) and in repeated tests the sight and smell of fresh meat fails to incite child salivary glands but fresh fruit and vegetables does.
Unlike actual carnivorous animals which are equipped with the teeth, claws and digestive means to eat meat. Young offspring naturally hunt other prey and salivate at the prospect of flesh/organs.
To paraphrase yourself - mark my words, we will look back on the human consumption of meat with the same horror that considered bloodletting as a medical practice.
Disclaimer - I eat meat despite the huge risks to my wellbeing.
Test - Leave a toddler in a playpen with a rabbit; trust me he won't attempt to fucking eat it. He has not been social conditioned to see the consumption of meat as normal.
Leave an omnivorous or carnivorous animal in a locked environment with the same rabbit. You will need a new rabbit.
You just went off on a rant about something I didn't say and I didn't mean. Try again, none of this is relevant to what I said.
It's completely relevant. You are discriminating against fast food without any attempt to apply your arbitrary reasoning to other foodstuffs you consider "wholesome" or "good".
It's not relevant because I did not say what you said I said. You are putting words in my mouth and you are being intellectually dishonest about it. I am done with this conversation.
You are done with this conversation because you are wrong and you know it. I am not putting words in your mouth.
You said "nutrients from fresh animal meat" in the same post where you expressed disdain for fast food.
Yet you clearly express no disdain for a food source that is on whole, extremely damaging to the human body.
I suggest you educate yourself about nutrition in it's entirety before you step on your anti-fast-food pulpit.
My god you are insufferable. Go ahead and grep what I wrote if you know how you fucking moron.
You did say "animal meat", whether or not "fresh" only applied to vegetables, in which case the debate is about the value of meat in human consumption.
There's no debate here. ZenPro at no point engaged in my actual argument. Every step of the way he decided what he thought I meant by some stereotypes in his head and then attacked me with that as if speaking his caricature of me loud enough would make it so.
Now maybe he just trolled me masterfully, in which case, well played; but if he really believes any of his own bullshit I feel sorry for the dimwit and everyone who has to deal with him.
You are dick. Honestly.
Given your technical position you are clearly not a moron, but in regards to non-technical matters you sound like a child. Seriously, just shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing yourself.
You know you are losing an argument about nutrition when you resort to UNIX commands as an insult.
Once you decided you knew what I thought better than me and willfully ignored every statement I made then yes I made the conscious decision to act like a dick to you. My apologies to DanBC, but I'm not made of stone.
I have not ignored them, you are just upset at your illogical stance being dismantled.
Another poster also pointed out to you that the context of my comments was directly in response to your posting.
Next time, post better or post more accurately. Don't whine.
Please stop.
(It is disappointing that the comments between you and dasil have not been downvoted)
Which comment(s) of mine specifically should be downvoted.
I count one (now possibly two). The rest are all valid intellectual points.