OffTopic - J. R. R. Tolkien - South African, Lord of the Rings
Born from British parents living in the Boer province of South-Africa, a British colony, so not really South-Africa per se. And he returned to the UK eventually for and after WW1.
"The Orange Free State (Dutch: Oranje-Vrijstaat Afrikaans: Oranje-Vrystaat) was an independent Boer sovereign republic in southern Africa"
This was Recognized by who? Only crazy Boers, South Africa was there before that. History books after apartheid have been re-written exactly for this reason, the apartheid regime told an apartheid version. Go and look at the differences, i have studied the history. Take your feet, visit the place, talk to the people, understand the history, don't be a "Wikipedia keyboard warrior"!
What amazes me is that you so confidently post that quote without realizing how terrible your understanding of it is.
This shows utter ignorance, go visit the place and understand the history. I kind of want to go on a long explanation, but its just not worth it, people will remain ignorant until they choose to educate themselves of the facts.
ps. If the Mayflower ship brings British settlers to the U.S. and they have a kid in the U.S, is that kid not American? A boer colony is just a place where early Dutch settlers settled in South Africa, just like those people arriving in the U.S. on the Mayflower.
ps. If the Mayflower ship brings British settlers to the U.S. and they have a kid in the U.S, is that kid not American?
Irrelevant example. South Africa was a British colony during Tolkien's youth, and I have never heard him being refered as a "South African" - he is born from British parents who happened to live in South Africa for a while, and is clearly identified as a British writer everywhere I know. It's extremely strange to call him "South African" and I do not know where you even got this notion. Even Tolkien refered himself as being English in terms of ethnicity. Check his writings before calling people ignorant.
The Orange Free State (Dutch: Oranje-Vrijstaat Afrikaans: Oranje-Vrystaat) was an independent Boer sovereign republic in southern Africa during the second half of the 19th century, and later a British colony and a province of the Union of South Africa.
EDIT: I noticed you changed your first message without any "EDIT" notice after I posted this answer. This is not very well viewed on HN.
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Born from British parents living in the Boer province of South-Africa, a British colony, so not really South-Africa per se. And he returned to the UK eventually for and after WW1.
"The Orange Free State (Dutch: Oranje-Vrijstaat Afrikaans: Oranje-Vrystaat) was an independent Boer sovereign republic in southern Africa"
This was Recognized by who? Only crazy Boers, South Africa was there before that. History books after apartheid have been re-written exactly for this reason, the apartheid regime told an apartheid version. Go and look at the differences, i have studied the history. Take your feet, visit the place, talk to the people, understand the history, don't be a "Wikipedia keyboard warrior"!
Feel free to modify Wikipedia and cite your sources then, if it's all fantasy.
The point is that JRR Tolkien was an Englishman, not a South African—even though he was born in SA.
What amazes me is that you so confidently post that quote without realizing how terrible your understanding of it is. This shows utter ignorance, go visit the place and understand the history. I kind of want to go on a long explanation, but its just not worth it, people will remain ignorant until they choose to educate themselves of the facts.
ps. If the Mayflower ship brings British settlers to the U.S. and they have a kid in the U.S, is that kid not American? A boer colony is just a place where early Dutch settlers settled in South Africa, just like those people arriving in the U.S. on the Mayflower.
Irrelevant example. South Africa was a British colony during Tolkien's youth, and I have never heard him being refered as a "South African" - he is born from British parents who happened to live in South Africa for a while, and is clearly identified as a British writer everywhere I know. It's extremely strange to call him "South African" and I do not know where you even got this notion. Even Tolkien refered himself as being English in terms of ethnicity. Check his writings before calling people ignorant.
Believe what you want.
EDIT: I noticed you changed your first message without any "EDIT" notice after I posted this answer. This is not very well viewed on HN.