If it's a good investment in her career she should just go get a loan. Alternatively, if she has a passion for programming and the skills you say she does she can take 12 weeks of her own time and learn to be an entry-level iOS developer for a lot less than $12k.
Begging is unseemly, and the whole "you can be a programmer in 3 months just give me $12k" thing is also kind of uncool.
I don't think you read the page clearly. She's already a programmer; she's trying to accelerate her learning process. Which frankly is worth the $12k, but getting an uncollateralized loan for that kind of thing can be difficult.
Fuck the haters. Keep it up! You should use twitter to reach out to writers at Mashable, Fast Company, etc and tell them this story. This story has feel-good written all over it.
Thank you! I'm gonna try and reach out to some tech bloggers and see what happens. Official accounts of Mashable, Fast Company, etc seem to just tweet their articles, with no @replies ever.
If you're a programmer and you have 3 months of time to work at this full-time you can accelerate your learning process without paying $12k. I laid out a free plan in a post above. I know it works because that's what I did.
Right, because what works for one person works for everyone?
It's great that you were able to do that, and it grew up doing this work myself in a time in which you didn't have a lot of options BUT to be self taught. But I know I certainly would have benefitted from a program like this 15-20 years ago, when I learned a lot of things the hard way and much more slowly.,
every candidate I talk to about this gets the same spiel: you don't have to pay to learn this material. It's available online for free. But learning in a guided way will get you over the speed bumps a lot faster.. moreover, the best value from these programs isn't even the education: it's the network. Connecting with peers, mentors, and instructors is a benefit that pays dividends throughout a career, and this is often something students are completely up equipped to achieve on their own.
I think the advantage of these programs is the external motivation. Not everyone who wants to learn programming is internally motivated or disciplined enough to do it on their own.
It could be that they love programming but they learn best in the competitive interactive environment offered by a place like The Flatiron School. There is more than one way to learn programming and the ways are not hierarchical, one may work best for one person, but would fail miserably for another.
She currently is paying off a student loan from her 2 years at UCF. She is putting a as much hours she can into learning, but working two jobs to make ends meet means a lot less time to get some serious time in. That is not stopping her, though, she is somehow finding time to program, sew and bake (her big 3).
I definitely do not want to come off as begging. I am offering design services to secure some money for her tuition, and she is sewing some things to sell on Etsy to raise money as well. Donations are for those with hearts of gold.
She has heard some good things about The Flatiron School. It's actually closer to a full-time job, rather than just a class.
It's actually closer to a full-time job, except instead of them paying you you pay them $12,000. Makes no sense. Is that what they tell you to get your money? Wait, this really doesn't add up, she's a programmer but she's working 2 jobs to make ends meet?
I laid out a self-study plan above that worked great for me, it's all common sense and its mostly free. Now if she's not skilled enough to put the pieces together with the resources I mentioned then I'm very skeptical that working super duper hard for a few months (even with great mentors) would get her up to speed. That's not how learning software development works. Your brain is not built that way. LOL "hacker schools"
I think the point is that if she's already willing/able to dedicate herself to 12 weeks of unpaid time, and she's motivated, then that should be enough to teach herself off the internet. What these critics here don't get is that some very smart and talented people don't learn this way, or aren't confident enough that they could commit themselves to 3 months of unpaid, self-guided learning.
Naturally, as with all things HN, there is an insinuation that anyone who is incapable of doing things the way an intellectually-advanced-but-socially-deficient 17 y/o boy would, must not be intelligent.
Naturally, as with all things HN, there is an insinuation that anyone who is incapable of doing things the way an intellectually-advanced-but-socially-deficient 17 y/o boy would, must not be intelligent.
No, that's not true at all. The resources are out there and he's already said she's got a passion and talent for programming. You can take an iOS class from Stanford for free on iTunes U from a brilliant teacher who used to be a VP at NextStep for gods sake. Or you can pay $12k to some "hacker school" bros.
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If it's a good investment in her career she should just go get a loan. Alternatively, if she has a passion for programming and the skills you say she does she can take 12 weeks of her own time and learn to be an entry-level iOS developer for a lot less than $12k.
Begging is unseemly, and the whole "you can be a programmer in 3 months just give me $12k" thing is also kind of uncool.
I don't think you read the page clearly. She's already a programmer; she's trying to accelerate her learning process. Which frankly is worth the $12k, but getting an uncollateralized loan for that kind of thing can be difficult.
Fuck the haters. Keep it up! You should use twitter to reach out to writers at Mashable, Fast Company, etc and tell them this story. This story has feel-good written all over it.
Thank you! I'm gonna try and reach out to some tech bloggers and see what happens. Official accounts of Mashable, Fast Company, etc seem to just tweet their articles, with no @replies ever.
don't feed the begger
If you're a programmer and you have 3 months of time to work at this full-time you can accelerate your learning process without paying $12k. I laid out a free plan in a post above. I know it works because that's what I did.
Right, because what works for one person works for everyone?
It's great that you were able to do that, and it grew up doing this work myself in a time in which you didn't have a lot of options BUT to be self taught. But I know I certainly would have benefitted from a program like this 15-20 years ago, when I learned a lot of things the hard way and much more slowly.,
every candidate I talk to about this gets the same spiel: you don't have to pay to learn this material. It's available online for free. But learning in a guided way will get you over the speed bumps a lot faster.. moreover, the best value from these programs isn't even the education: it's the network. Connecting with peers, mentors, and instructors is a benefit that pays dividends throughout a career, and this is often something students are completely up equipped to achieve on their own.
I think the advantage of these programs is the external motivation. Not everyone who wants to learn programming is internally motivated or disciplined enough to do it on their own.
It could be that they love programming but they learn best in the competitive interactive environment offered by a place like The Flatiron School. There is more than one way to learn programming and the ways are not hierarchical, one may work best for one person, but would fail miserably for another.
She currently is paying off a student loan from her 2 years at UCF. She is putting a as much hours she can into learning, but working two jobs to make ends meet means a lot less time to get some serious time in. That is not stopping her, though, she is somehow finding time to program, sew and bake (her big 3).
I definitely do not want to come off as begging. I am offering design services to secure some money for her tuition, and she is sewing some things to sell on Etsy to raise money as well. Donations are for those with hearts of gold.
She has heard some good things about The Flatiron School. It's actually closer to a full-time job, rather than just a class.
It's actually closer to a full-time job, except instead of them paying you you pay them $12,000. Makes no sense. Is that what they tell you to get your money? Wait, this really doesn't add up, she's a programmer but she's working 2 jobs to make ends meet?
I laid out a self-study plan above that worked great for me, it's all common sense and its mostly free. Now if she's not skilled enough to put the pieces together with the resources I mentioned then I'm very skeptical that working super duper hard for a few months (even with great mentors) would get her up to speed. That's not how learning software development works. Your brain is not built that way. LOL "hacker schools"
It's closer to a full-time job in terms of the time spent, obviously not in a financial sense.
I think if you actually read what I linked, you would understand the situation a little more.
I think the point is that if she's already willing/able to dedicate herself to 12 weeks of unpaid time, and she's motivated, then that should be enough to teach herself off the internet. What these critics here don't get is that some very smart and talented people don't learn this way, or aren't confident enough that they could commit themselves to 3 months of unpaid, self-guided learning.
Naturally, as with all things HN, there is an insinuation that anyone who is incapable of doing things the way an intellectually-advanced-but-socially-deficient 17 y/o boy would, must not be intelligent.
No, that's not true at all. The resources are out there and he's already said she's got a passion and talent for programming. You can take an iOS class from Stanford for free on iTunes U from a brilliant teacher who used to be a VP at NextStep for gods sake. Or you can pay $12k to some "hacker school" bros.
Please post link for Stanford iOS course? Thanks! (I'll save the 12k I think..)
Seriously? Try typing "standford ios course" into google.