Seems like people are discovering "hacklogs"; they're published in scene zines and are mostly harmful. The only reason to read them is for schadenfreude; it's usually one hacker taking out another, I don't think the misfortunes of civilians are logged.
For a glimpse into this, and for the most entertaining hacker interview ever conducted, I invite you all to read the phrack interview with The Unix Terrorist:
i mentioned it in the other thread, but i read them to see what other people are doing wrong in order to remind myself of what i need to do to do things right.
Hard to believe that. If you can grok the logs you probably know how and why the hack works. Plus they're not too informative, for example, few of them show the version of an application under attack, and a good chunk of the time you will see a line like:
~ $./domagic
~ #
Where `domagic` is published script.
There are good texts to read for security, and imo, lamer logs are not exactly at the top of that list. Read the public disclosures, advisories, PoC code; not the private gloating of hackers :-)
Let's not split hairs here. Of course you learn something from them, but be honest, aren't you smiling the whole time you read them? They're hacker tabloids; our version of seeing an actor in their fat, pale naked beach body.
I can't believe anybody would take a marker to a lamer log and "dive into it" looking for Knowledge(TM).
i don't take a marker to anything i find on HN, yet i still participate in the community and read the submissions in an effort to look for Knowledge(TM).
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Seems like people are discovering "hacklogs"; they're published in scene zines and are mostly harmful. The only reason to read them is for schadenfreude; it's usually one hacker taking out another, I don't think the misfortunes of civilians are logged.
For a glimpse into this, and for the most entertaining hacker interview ever conducted, I invite you all to read the phrack interview with The Unix Terrorist:
http://phrack.org/issues.html?issue=65&id=2#article
A magnificent display of ego, knowledge and balls. A laugh out loud tale of human malice! A+.
i dunno if the only reason is for schadenfreude.
i mentioned it in the other thread, but i read them to see what other people are doing wrong in order to remind myself of what i need to do to do things right.
Hard to believe that. If you can grok the logs you probably know how and why the hack works. Plus they're not too informative, for example, few of them show the version of an application under attack, and a good chunk of the time you will see a line like:
Where `domagic` is published script.There are good texts to read for security, and imo, lamer logs are not exactly at the top of that list. Read the public disclosures, advisories, PoC code; not the private gloating of hackers :-)
most aren't super informative, no. but some are. most i skim, some i read.
never said this was the only type of thing i read.
Let's not split hairs here. Of course you learn something from them, but be honest, aren't you smiling the whole time you read them? They're hacker tabloids; our version of seeing an actor in their fat, pale naked beach body.
I can't believe anybody would take a marker to a lamer log and "dive into it" looking for Knowledge(TM).
i don't take a marker to anything i find on HN, yet i still participate in the community and read the submissions in an effort to look for Knowledge(TM).
shrug.
That has to be the most pointless "interview" I have ever read.