Hmm... I wonder if there'd be people in the US willing to relocate to the middle of nowhere for a job that promised some good perks plus an extremely comfortable wage relative to cost of living (but not necessarily any larger than in San Fran or something).
I do kinda think that having a tech company set in the middle of some rustic mountains or something has a sort of crazy "code from an adirondack chair" appeal.
I'm not sure I would, personally though. I enjoy living in urban areas a little too much.
It's something I daydream about, but I think the reality would not be that great. For instance, it'd be difficult to get the kind of bandwidth you need out somewhere remote.
What might make for an interesting experiment is some sort of facility that group(s) could rotate through: say spend a month out in the wild hacking away. I don't think being that isolated would be good, long term, but for a month or something it might make a wonderful change of scenery and let you really concentrate.
It's a bit of a bitter pill for me (I prefer towns of about 100K-200K people), but a lot of evidence points to big cities being the best places for a lot of things: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008035HQQ/?tag=dedasys-20 for instance, talks about the returns to scale in terms of being around a lot of other bright, creative people.
Incidentally, if anyone has zillions of dollars, I think the Big Muddy Ranch in Oregon (currently a christian youth camp, and formerly the site of Rashneeshpuram!) would be a beautiful place to do that kind of thing. I accidentally drove through there a few years ago (long story), and it's a beautiful, and very remote area: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Muddy+Road,+Antelope,+OR,+Uni...
There are advantages and disadvantages. (I live and work in the Sierra foothills, I've organized a local group of fellow hackers, I've been working on building a startup community here.)
For me, the foremost advantage has to be lack of traffic. Nearly all of the essentials here are a 5 minute drive or less. The traffic flows well. The locals complain about a "traffic jam" somewhere if they have to wait in line at an intersection for more than thirty seconds. It seems like a silly, minor thing, until you've lived here for a while and then go back to southern California or the Bay Area for a bit.
It's fairly peaceful here. You can get a beautiful home, with no neighbors in sight, surrounded by trees and tranquility, for a fraction of the cost of such a thing elsewhere. This has a huge effect on stress. I live "downtown" -- literally a stone's throw from main street -- and I can still sit in my backyard and code in the sunshine and have it be fairly quiet and distraction-free.
There are farmers' markets and lots of other great community events. There's a sense of community, overall, that isn't really present in metropolitan areas.
It's 45 minutes from one of the Pacific Crest trailheads, if you need to get away. Or, drive for 20 minutes to one of the local rivers and relax in the water for a bit.
There are downsides though. There's a perception that there just isn't any talent here, and that makes some things difficult. There is talent, but not in the quantity you'd find in Palo Alto or Chicago or New York. We recently had an incubator / funding group meeting, where a member related that an investor told them directly that he'd never fund anything from our area code.
Some of the residents are a little ... odd. That's the case everywhere, but they're a little more noticeable here. They write lots of letters to the local newspaper. Our regional Craigslist is embarrassing.
We have some fantastic people that work hard on bringing culture to our area. We've had some big names performing at the hall across the street from my house. Bill Cosby, this week. A couple of really good theater companies. A local top-notch juggling club. Ultimate frisbee. We're one of the top downhill mountain bike destinations in the world (supposedly). We've got a great concert group that brings in talent from around the world. (I got to see violinist Stefan Jackiw play, it was indescribably beautiful.) Still, we're a bit short on "culture" -- art museums, ballet, clubs, that sort of thing.
Overall, I much prefer it to urban living. But, it lacks the image and style associated with the hubs of activity in metropolitan areas, so I expect it's difficult to convince people to move.
If anyone's interested in re-locating to about an hour from Sacramento, please feel free to contact me. I'm close to a number of local business groups, and I've just started building a partnership with a nearby capital network. I've been here for long enough now to know where a lot of great stuff is. I'd be happy to give you a tour and some introductions.
Joey Hess, Rob Savoye, and Chuck Moore have done this as famous individuals. Vipul Ved Prakash used to go to "the middle of nowhere" to spend much of the year working on personal projects. So there are certainly those of us who find appeal in such a life.
I did it for awhile, with some part time remote work to keep up a cashflow, while bootstrapping a startup.
In the end, the startup trumped the third-party work, and I focused on it exclusively. Still later, I moved to a city to continue. The city gave me better network infrastructure (not such an issue in Europe or parts of the US, but still a big issue in many places), plus - far more critically - access to a serious HR market and decisionmakers in partner organisations (telecommunications providers, government taxation bureaus, etc.).
Also, the clear "leave work and there is nobody who would have the foggiest about what it is you do all day" thing can promote a healthier work/life balance than inner-city cash-burning type startup environments, IMHO.
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Hmm... I wonder if there'd be people in the US willing to relocate to the middle of nowhere for a job that promised some good perks plus an extremely comfortable wage relative to cost of living (but not necessarily any larger than in San Fran or something).
I do kinda think that having a tech company set in the middle of some rustic mountains or something has a sort of crazy "code from an adirondack chair" appeal.
I'm not sure I would, personally though. I enjoy living in urban areas a little too much.
It's something I daydream about, but I think the reality would not be that great. For instance, it'd be difficult to get the kind of bandwidth you need out somewhere remote.
What might make for an interesting experiment is some sort of facility that group(s) could rotate through: say spend a month out in the wild hacking away. I don't think being that isolated would be good, long term, but for a month or something it might make a wonderful change of scenery and let you really concentrate.
It's a bit of a bitter pill for me (I prefer towns of about 100K-200K people), but a lot of evidence points to big cities being the best places for a lot of things: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008035HQQ/?tag=dedasys-20 for instance, talks about the returns to scale in terms of being around a lot of other bright, creative people.
Incidentally, if anyone has zillions of dollars, I think the Big Muddy Ranch in Oregon (currently a christian youth camp, and formerly the site of Rashneeshpuram!) would be a beautiful place to do that kind of thing. I accidentally drove through there a few years ago (long story), and it's a beautiful, and very remote area: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Muddy+Road,+Antelope,+OR,+Uni...
There are advantages and disadvantages. (I live and work in the Sierra foothills, I've organized a local group of fellow hackers, I've been working on building a startup community here.)
For me, the foremost advantage has to be lack of traffic. Nearly all of the essentials here are a 5 minute drive or less. The traffic flows well. The locals complain about a "traffic jam" somewhere if they have to wait in line at an intersection for more than thirty seconds. It seems like a silly, minor thing, until you've lived here for a while and then go back to southern California or the Bay Area for a bit.
It's fairly peaceful here. You can get a beautiful home, with no neighbors in sight, surrounded by trees and tranquility, for a fraction of the cost of such a thing elsewhere. This has a huge effect on stress. I live "downtown" -- literally a stone's throw from main street -- and I can still sit in my backyard and code in the sunshine and have it be fairly quiet and distraction-free.
There are farmers' markets and lots of other great community events. There's a sense of community, overall, that isn't really present in metropolitan areas.
It's 45 minutes from one of the Pacific Crest trailheads, if you need to get away. Or, drive for 20 minutes to one of the local rivers and relax in the water for a bit.
There are downsides though. There's a perception that there just isn't any talent here, and that makes some things difficult. There is talent, but not in the quantity you'd find in Palo Alto or Chicago or New York. We recently had an incubator / funding group meeting, where a member related that an investor told them directly that he'd never fund anything from our area code.
Some of the residents are a little ... odd. That's the case everywhere, but they're a little more noticeable here. They write lots of letters to the local newspaper. Our regional Craigslist is embarrassing.
We have some fantastic people that work hard on bringing culture to our area. We've had some big names performing at the hall across the street from my house. Bill Cosby, this week. A couple of really good theater companies. A local top-notch juggling club. Ultimate frisbee. We're one of the top downhill mountain bike destinations in the world (supposedly). We've got a great concert group that brings in talent from around the world. (I got to see violinist Stefan Jackiw play, it was indescribably beautiful.) Still, we're a bit short on "culture" -- art museums, ballet, clubs, that sort of thing.
Overall, I much prefer it to urban living. But, it lacks the image and style associated with the hubs of activity in metropolitan areas, so I expect it's difficult to convince people to move.
If anyone's interested in re-locating to about an hour from Sacramento, please feel free to contact me. I'm close to a number of local business groups, and I've just started building a partnership with a nearby capital network. I've been here for long enough now to know where a lot of great stuff is. I'd be happy to give you a tour and some introductions.
Know anyone who needs an iOS developer in Tahoe?
I can check, I have a couple of contacts in that area. Send me your contact info (my email's in my profile).
edit: Sorry, misread that as Truckee for some reason. If Truckee's OK with you, offer still stands.
Joey Hess, Rob Savoye, and Chuck Moore have done this as famous individuals. Vipul Ved Prakash used to go to "the middle of nowhere" to spend much of the year working on personal projects. So there are certainly those of us who find appeal in such a life.
I did it for awhile, with some part time remote work to keep up a cashflow, while bootstrapping a startup.
In the end, the startup trumped the third-party work, and I focused on it exclusively. Still later, I moved to a city to continue. The city gave me better network infrastructure (not such an issue in Europe or parts of the US, but still a big issue in many places), plus - far more critically - access to a serious HR market and decisionmakers in partner organisations (telecommunications providers, government taxation bureaus, etc.).
Also, the clear "leave work and there is nobody who would have the foggiest about what it is you do all day" thing can promote a healthier work/life balance than inner-city cash-burning type startup environments, IMHO.