Look at all the comments under the announcement. Really sum's up how I feel as well. A selling point of Opera was the built in email client.
I liked how Opera used to be a silo for a whole bunch of features. When you closed it the rest closed as well. Was a great way to turn off work.
Now we have ANOTHER fairly generic stand alone email client. ANOTHER fairly generic webkit browser. If it wasn't branded with an Opera logo would anyone really give a shit?
a silo for a whole bunch of features. When you closed it the rest closed as well. Was a great way to turn off work.
Honestly, it sounds like you want an OS running in a virtual machine. Nobody is going to pursue your ideal "monolithic productivity suite that does everything" path; it's just a plain-bad idea.
I currently contract at 2 different companies. I have the machines I was given at both running headless and just bring my laptop in and SSH to them to do work (my workflow is tmux/vim based). I then keep 2 separate user accounts on my laptop to separate the 2 environments. Leaving work is as simple as logging out and going back to my personal account.
Because an operating system is a good idea, and a monolithic do-everything productivity suite subverts the point of an operating system by creating a very limited, hard-coded, non-extensible OS on top of the OS, reimplementing half of what the OS already does, but poorly, failing to interact with any components not distributed with the suite, and not allowing for any of the things modern OSes allow for (multi-display MDI support, for example, or package management.) There is no justification for having two redundant layers of OS; anything the suite does in terms of integration (for example, a clipboard implementation), could be converted to an OS feature of the parent system and used to integrate anything with anything.
And if you really think the do-everything productivity suite is the one with the right ideas and the OS you're running is the one that's screwed-up--well, then, there's still no reason to run two layers; instead, what should be done is to expand the productivity suite into an OS. Like Chromium OS and Firefox OS are currently in the process of.
And now comes the part where you explain to me how i combine Firefox and Thunderbird into one app such that i can have various emails open in first-class-citizen tabs alongside web pages. Since apparently Firefox does such an amazing job of it.
Same here. I never used the mail part of M2 (other than for testing purposes), but I used love its RSS feed reader and IRC client. I want a browser with a deeply integrated feed reader which makes subscribing to and following content easy. I don't want to have to remember to launch a new website or an app to read the news I want to read.
I thought so too - I've been an Opera user for nearly 12 years. But genuinely, I know think this is for the better - Opera15 is bloody fast compared to Presto. I can see that they are trying. It's still long ways to go, but they have had a decent start.
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Look at all the comments under the announcement. Really sum's up how I feel as well. A selling point of Opera was the built in email client.
I liked how Opera used to be a silo for a whole bunch of features. When you closed it the rest closed as well. Was a great way to turn off work.
Now we have ANOTHER fairly generic stand alone email client. ANOTHER fairly generic webkit browser. If it wasn't branded with an Opera logo would anyone really give a shit?
Honestly, it sounds like you want an OS running in a virtual machine. Nobody is going to pursue your ideal "monolithic productivity suite that does everything" path; it's just a plain-bad idea.
I currently contract at 2 different companies. I have the machines I was given at both running headless and just bring my laptop in and SSH to them to do work (my workflow is tmux/vim based). I then keep 2 separate user accounts on my laptop to separate the 2 environments. Leaving work is as simple as logging out and going back to my personal account.
That's a very nice opinion, but without actually qualifying why you think that way it has nothing to do with reality.
Because an operating system is a good idea, and a monolithic do-everything productivity suite subverts the point of an operating system by creating a very limited, hard-coded, non-extensible OS on top of the OS, reimplementing half of what the OS already does, but poorly, failing to interact with any components not distributed with the suite, and not allowing for any of the things modern OSes allow for (multi-display MDI support, for example, or package management.) There is no justification for having two redundant layers of OS; anything the suite does in terms of integration (for example, a clipboard implementation), could be converted to an OS feature of the parent system and used to integrate anything with anything.
And if you really think the do-everything productivity suite is the one with the right ideas and the OS you're running is the one that's screwed-up--well, then, there's still no reason to run two layers; instead, what should be done is to expand the productivity suite into an OS. Like Chromium OS and Firefox OS are currently in the process of.
And now comes the part where you explain to me how i combine Firefox and Thunderbird into one app such that i can have various emails open in first-class-citizen tabs alongside web pages. Since apparently Firefox does such an amazing job of it.
Unless of course the monolithic productivity suite is written in elisp. ;-)
I, for one, give a shit because I need a standalone email client that fits my workflow better than what we have now (I use Thunderbird nowadays).
The Opera logo is merely just encouraging me to check it out.
You could've had that all this time already by simply installing Opera 12.15 into its own directory and using it only for mail.
Same here. I never used the mail part of M2 (other than for testing purposes), but I used love its RSS feed reader and IRC client. I want a browser with a deeply integrated feed reader which makes subscribing to and following content easy. I don't want to have to remember to launch a new website or an app to read the news I want to read.
I thought so too - I've been an Opera user for nearly 12 years. But genuinely, I know think this is for the better - Opera15 is bloody fast compared to Presto. I can see that they are trying. It's still long ways to go, but they have had a decent start.