Where does the societal harm from anabolic steroids come from? Is it because anabolic steroids have an illegal black market? Why don't LSD and mushrooms have that same black market induced societal harm then?
And how does harm to self from anabolic steroids come under harm to self from cannibis? Has anyone ever killed their liver with cannibis? Anabolic steroids can do that, and much more, to your body.
> Has anyone ever killed their liver with cannibis?
Liver damage from steroid abuse only applies to use of oral steroids. And even that is "only" comparable to drinking alcohol. Looking as to how professional bodybuilders utilizing steroids tend to lead a vastly more healthy lifestyle (diet, workout) than most people it'd assume it somewhat reduces overall health risk. Assuming the fictional situation where I would have to pick between option
a) a friend starting to use steroids, cleaning up his diet and working out most days of the week
or b)
smoke pot every day, play video games and eat Ben and Jerrys
I would pick option a) by a wide margin.
Personally I have smoked pot in the past and while casually smoking a little weed is all good and fun (like having a few beers), repated use has a zombifying effect on me which is very strong. For me it's as if my whole brain is slowed down. I've seem people who still get along just fine smoking pot regularly but I've also seem people whose personal development just completely stopped and their social life is centered around smoking bud as the result of regular pot use. I am all for legalization but don't make the mistake of assuming that just because delta 9 THC is a chemical that occurs in a plant it is a drug without any negative consequences or addiction potential for anyone.
Certainly steroids can be used safely, and to be clear, I think that the healthy lifestles lived by users of steroids should more than make up for any aggragate negative impact steroid use may have. I fully support the use of anabolic steroids, they are a-okay in my book.
However to say that pot can be dangerous because it's users often adopt fatass lifestyles seems a bit disingenious. You could similarly start attributing sports injuries to anabolic steroids (clearly sporting injuries would never catch up with fatass injuries, but anyway..), though that would be similarly disingenious. I think the only reasonable way to compare the drugs is to compare the harm that the substances themselves are capable of inflicting when taken in dosages that are logistically feasible.
In your fictional situation I think I would choose the unstated option c) clean up my diet, smoke pot occasionally, and go to the gym almost every day. Hmm.. come to think of it, that is already what I chose...
> However to say that pot can be dangerous because it's users often adopt fatass lifestyles seems a bit disingenious. You could similarly start attributing sports injuries to anabolic steroids, though that would be similarly disingenious.
yes, you are completely right. I just wanted to make the point that you shouldn't promote THC as a completely harmeless wonderdrug without potential to worsen your life. I wrongfully assumed that you might fall into this camp.
> In your fictional situation I think I would choose the unstated option c) clean up my diet, smoke pot occasionally, and go to the gym almost every day. Hmm.. come to think of it, that is already what I chose...
sounds like a reasonable choice :) more power to you
> Where does the societal harm from anabolic steroids come from?
I think the argument for this would be similar to the argument for using models with less atypical body types. If all the guys I saw on TV when I was a kid were super jacked, I'd probably feel more pressure to be that way and possibly use anabolic steroids to get there.
Considering that we have an obesity epidemic, I wonder if more jacked people on TV might actually do us some good.
Step one, well before dosing up, is diet and exercise. Anyone wishing to imitate the muscleheads on TV would have to go through that distinctly self-improving step first. I suspect that anyone who continues on to use steroids after that would be well offset by all those who dropped out before reaching the point where self-harm becomes involved.
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Where does the societal harm from anabolic steroids come from? Is it because anabolic steroids have an illegal black market? Why don't LSD and mushrooms have that same black market induced societal harm then?
And how does harm to self from anabolic steroids come under harm to self from cannibis? Has anyone ever killed their liver with cannibis? Anabolic steroids can do that, and much more, to your body.
This whole thing seems very bullshitty to me.
> This whole thing seems very bullshitty to me.
I agree however
> Has anyone ever killed their liver with cannibis?
Liver damage from steroid abuse only applies to use of oral steroids. And even that is "only" comparable to drinking alcohol. Looking as to how professional bodybuilders utilizing steroids tend to lead a vastly more healthy lifestyle (diet, workout) than most people it'd assume it somewhat reduces overall health risk. Assuming the fictional situation where I would have to pick between option
a) a friend starting to use steroids, cleaning up his diet and working out most days of the week
or b) smoke pot every day, play video games and eat Ben and Jerrys
I would pick option a) by a wide margin.
Personally I have smoked pot in the past and while casually smoking a little weed is all good and fun (like having a few beers), repated use has a zombifying effect on me which is very strong. For me it's as if my whole brain is slowed down. I've seem people who still get along just fine smoking pot regularly but I've also seem people whose personal development just completely stopped and their social life is centered around smoking bud as the result of regular pot use. I am all for legalization but don't make the mistake of assuming that just because delta 9 THC is a chemical that occurs in a plant it is a drug without any negative consequences or addiction potential for anyone.
Certainly steroids can be used safely, and to be clear, I think that the healthy lifestles lived by users of steroids should more than make up for any aggragate negative impact steroid use may have. I fully support the use of anabolic steroids, they are a-okay in my book.
However to say that pot can be dangerous because it's users often adopt fatass lifestyles seems a bit disingenious. You could similarly start attributing sports injuries to anabolic steroids (clearly sporting injuries would never catch up with fatass injuries, but anyway..), though that would be similarly disingenious. I think the only reasonable way to compare the drugs is to compare the harm that the substances themselves are capable of inflicting when taken in dosages that are logistically feasible.
In your fictional situation I think I would choose the unstated option c) clean up my diet, smoke pot occasionally, and go to the gym almost every day. Hmm.. come to think of it, that is already what I chose...
> However to say that pot can be dangerous because it's users often adopt fatass lifestyles seems a bit disingenious. You could similarly start attributing sports injuries to anabolic steroids, though that would be similarly disingenious.
yes, you are completely right. I just wanted to make the point that you shouldn't promote THC as a completely harmeless wonderdrug without potential to worsen your life. I wrongfully assumed that you might fall into this camp.
> In your fictional situation I think I would choose the unstated option c) clean up my diet, smoke pot occasionally, and go to the gym almost every day. Hmm.. come to think of it, that is already what I chose...
sounds like a reasonable choice :) more power to you
> Where does the societal harm from anabolic steroids come from?
I think the argument for this would be similar to the argument for using models with less atypical body types. If all the guys I saw on TV when I was a kid were super jacked, I'd probably feel more pressure to be that way and possibly use anabolic steroids to get there.
Considering that we have an obesity epidemic, I wonder if more jacked people on TV might actually do us some good.
Step one, well before dosing up, is diet and exercise. Anyone wishing to imitate the muscleheads on TV would have to go through that distinctly self-improving step first. I suspect that anyone who continues on to use steroids after that would be well offset by all those who dropped out before reaching the point where self-harm becomes involved.