You (and, especially, the women you’ve worked with) are either very fortunate, or you’re not talking to women enough for them to reveal to you what they’re experiencing. I’ve worked in several different countries, various different cultures, and I have yet to work with a woman who didn’t notice or experience various forms of sexism. And most men I know are aware of it, too, but don't necessarily know what the best way of dealing with it is.
As an side, I really do suggest you read some of the stuff posted to http://everydaysexism.com/ for example. There is a chance you're not seeing the sexism for sexism.
I don't currently work with any women in a technical capacity. When I did, I reported to her and didn't witness any problems. The women I work with in a non-technical capacity seem to do fine, though I spend more time doing my job than trying to catalogue every hidden oppression they may or may not face.
Thanks for the link, but if I wanted to keep myself continually outraged over anonymous anecdotes, I'd spend more time on Reddit.
Well, thanks for admitting your complete and utter ignorance on this matter, expressing your refusal to educate yourself, and portraying your inflated sense of self-importance to spend time telling us all this. You've contributed nothing here other than wasting our time telling us you've no interest in being an ally to the cause.
I've addressed your oddly bullying tone in another comment.
The simple fact is that I have no genuine experiences or evidence to add to the conversation, and I suspect this is true of others as well. I reject the notion that I should speak out if I have nothing to say. I'm not the one ruling myself out from being anyone's "ally", I'm just ruling myself out from being anyone's parrot. If all you want is parrots for allies, that says more about you than me.
If all you're asking for is someone to say "yep, that's awful" whenever someone else reports something awful happening, I have to question the notion that there isn't enough of that already.
> If all you're asking for is someone to say "yep, that's awful" whenever someone else reports something awful happening, I have to question the notion that there isn't enough of that already.
That's pretty much what we're asking for at a bare minimum, and no, there isn't enough of that at all. Educate yourself, man. When women are blogging left and right (all those links in the article were from just the past week) about still being harassed on a regular basis, it's Really Quite Clear that this isn't happening enough at all.
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You (and, especially, the women you’ve worked with) are either very fortunate, or you’re not talking to women enough for them to reveal to you what they’re experiencing. I’ve worked in several different countries, various different cultures, and I have yet to work with a woman who didn’t notice or experience various forms of sexism. And most men I know are aware of it, too, but don't necessarily know what the best way of dealing with it is.
As an side, I really do suggest you read some of the stuff posted to http://everydaysexism.com/ for example. There is a chance you're not seeing the sexism for sexism.
I don't currently work with any women in a technical capacity. When I did, I reported to her and didn't witness any problems. The women I work with in a non-technical capacity seem to do fine, though I spend more time doing my job than trying to catalogue every hidden oppression they may or may not face.
Thanks for the link, but if I wanted to keep myself continually outraged over anonymous anecdotes, I'd spend more time on Reddit.
Well, thanks for admitting your complete and utter ignorance on this matter, expressing your refusal to educate yourself, and portraying your inflated sense of self-importance to spend time telling us all this. You've contributed nothing here other than wasting our time telling us you've no interest in being an ally to the cause.
I've addressed your oddly bullying tone in another comment.
The simple fact is that I have no genuine experiences or evidence to add to the conversation, and I suspect this is true of others as well. I reject the notion that I should speak out if I have nothing to say. I'm not the one ruling myself out from being anyone's "ally", I'm just ruling myself out from being anyone's parrot. If all you want is parrots for allies, that says more about you than me.
If all you're asking for is someone to say "yep, that's awful" whenever someone else reports something awful happening, I have to question the notion that there isn't enough of that already.
> If all you're asking for is someone to say "yep, that's awful" whenever someone else reports something awful happening, I have to question the notion that there isn't enough of that already.
That's pretty much what we're asking for at a bare minimum, and no, there isn't enough of that at all. Educate yourself, man. When women are blogging left and right (all those links in the article were from just the past week) about still being harassed on a regular basis, it's Really Quite Clear that this isn't happening enough at all.
Yup, that's awful.