One can never guess what is going to be projected into one's writing.
Tokenadult pointed out some things that MET figured out were highly correlated with effective teaching, he quoted them with : "Of the 36 items included in the Gates Foundation study, the five that most correlated with student learning were very straightforward:
My wife and I home schooled our kids through "8th" grade, they went to the local high school. I got to meet a number of kids being home schooled, and their parents. I recognized all five of the factors that the MET identified as being present in a home schooling situation. That is all.
You are confusing cause and effect, the factors are already present in families who are dedicated/resourceful enough to consider homeschooling, so homeschooling simply has no effect in that case.
It is already known that the most important factor in whether a kid learns or not is their home situation. These studies are on the effectiveness of schools assuming the home factor can't be changed easily by society.
Hmm, that wasn't my experience. There is a huge variation in the family types who are home schooling in the Bay Area, it runs the gamut. Two of the kids in the Reikes class were homeless, their Mom was doing this because while she was homeless she did not want here kids to get behind in their education, and California has some really strict rules about letting your kids go to a public school if you don't have an address in the district. Perhaps the biggest cohort were kids where the parents had an issue[1] with the public schools but didn't have the resources or desire to send their kids to private school. I do know that there was a group who leaned more toward the creationist side of things but that wasn't the groups in our circle so I can't say much about them other than that you could find them if you wanted to.
"It is already known that the most important factor in whether a kid learns or not is their home situation."
My experience would support that hypothesis. Of all the kids I've known over my life those who had parents that were supportive of their educational goals did better than those whose parents were absent or destructive. That said though, it didn't change the fact that for kids who were otherwise nominal (reasonable support from parents, no major mental health issues) learned a lot (and I believe more) in their home school environment than they would have had they gone to public school.
[1] Issues ranged from teachers who were 'bad', district policies (no pocket knives allowed), school choice in their district (gang issues), and 'bad influences' (drug use or sexual experimentation).
While you are right that the background of homeschooled children may be a confounding factor, you are overreaching when you (seem to) claim that this rules out the possibility that being homeschooled contributes as well.
I don't know what you mean by 'home factor' but my idea would be to take children from similar backgrounds who are homeschooled or not and see if that variable correlates with some measure of performance. It's not perfect of course because homeschooling parents are self-selecting, but a fully controlled experiment is not going to be feasible; however, this does not make the hypothesis any less likely, just less testable.
The biggest impact on a kid's future is their socioeconomic status and/or the determination of their parents. Schooling provided by society is not even a close second, though it does make being a good parent easier (you can delegate 6 or 7 hours a day to society, whereas you'd have to make some really tough decisions if that option wasn't available). We know this is true because social mobility is not that great even in the states; your background matters.
Home schooling tends to just reinforce what is already true about the home environment, so there doesn't seem to be any new variable their. Of course, we could argue that schools can have adverse effects and that you are avoiding those by homeschooling, but since home life is so dominant, you'd expect kids to just regurjitate what they've learned at home anyways, at least until middle or high school where teenagers begin to break free.
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This. And consider that homeschooling in no way scales, and is not very effective for kids from troubled families (for obvious reasons).
One can never guess what is going to be projected into one's writing.
Tokenadult pointed out some things that MET figured out were highly correlated with effective teaching, he quoted them with : "Of the 36 items included in the Gates Foundation study, the five that most correlated with student learning were very straightforward:
My wife and I home schooled our kids through "8th" grade, they went to the local high school. I got to meet a number of kids being home schooled, and their parents. I recognized all five of the factors that the MET identified as being present in a home schooling situation. That is all.
What did you think I was saying?
You are confusing cause and effect, the factors are already present in families who are dedicated/resourceful enough to consider homeschooling, so homeschooling simply has no effect in that case.
It is already known that the most important factor in whether a kid learns or not is their home situation. These studies are on the effectiveness of schools assuming the home factor can't be changed easily by society.
Hmm, that wasn't my experience. There is a huge variation in the family types who are home schooling in the Bay Area, it runs the gamut. Two of the kids in the Reikes class were homeless, their Mom was doing this because while she was homeless she did not want here kids to get behind in their education, and California has some really strict rules about letting your kids go to a public school if you don't have an address in the district. Perhaps the biggest cohort were kids where the parents had an issue[1] with the public schools but didn't have the resources or desire to send their kids to private school. I do know that there was a group who leaned more toward the creationist side of things but that wasn't the groups in our circle so I can't say much about them other than that you could find them if you wanted to.
"It is already known that the most important factor in whether a kid learns or not is their home situation."
My experience would support that hypothesis. Of all the kids I've known over my life those who had parents that were supportive of their educational goals did better than those whose parents were absent or destructive. That said though, it didn't change the fact that for kids who were otherwise nominal (reasonable support from parents, no major mental health issues) learned a lot (and I believe more) in their home school environment than they would have had they gone to public school.
[1] Issues ranged from teachers who were 'bad', district policies (no pocket knives allowed), school choice in their district (gang issues), and 'bad influences' (drug use or sexual experimentation).
While you are right that the background of homeschooled children may be a confounding factor, you are overreaching when you (seem to) claim that this rules out the possibility that being homeschooled contributes as well.
Perhaps. Separating out the home factor of homeschooling to get some useful truth seems quite impossible.
I don't know what you mean by 'home factor' but my idea would be to take children from similar backgrounds who are homeschooled or not and see if that variable correlates with some measure of performance. It's not perfect of course because homeschooling parents are self-selecting, but a fully controlled experiment is not going to be feasible; however, this does not make the hypothesis any less likely, just less testable.
Can you say more about this? Or can you talk about your reasoning that makes 'home factor' the dominant factor?
The biggest impact on a kid's future is their socioeconomic status and/or the determination of their parents. Schooling provided by society is not even a close second, though it does make being a good parent easier (you can delegate 6 or 7 hours a day to society, whereas you'd have to make some really tough decisions if that option wasn't available). We know this is true because social mobility is not that great even in the states; your background matters.
Home schooling tends to just reinforce what is already true about the home environment, so there doesn't seem to be any new variable their. Of course, we could argue that schools can have adverse effects and that you are avoiding those by homeschooling, but since home life is so dominant, you'd expect kids to just regurjitate what they've learned at home anyways, at least until middle or high school where teenagers begin to break free.