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And so does Emacs. I don’t think this person has really used them.

Making these kinds of AI projects with fancy READMEs give you a veneer of authority, but the lack of earned wisdom tends to stick out once a few people glance at it.

Yeah maybe not the best wording. It’s more meant that ideally toast can be fully used with a cursor for interactions. I don’t think you can exit vim or emacs just by clicking on a button?

You absolutely can exit Emacs by clicking a button! Even when it is running in terminal. You just need menu-bar-mode (which is enabled by default) and enabling xterm-mouse-mode (which also should be enabled by default) - https://asciinema.org/a/rprH0gLSkrUz2cqr

You can exit Emacs by clicking a button, by making a mouse gesture, by telling it via voice command, by key-press, by modal key-chord sequence, by writing into a file, by selecting a menu item, by directly evaling (kill-emacs) command, by cookie in a file you merely visit, by a keyboard macro replayed from a register, by an abbrev whose expansion hook quits, by evaling an Org-mode source block, via a timer, via built-in solar and lunar calendars, by a shell command run inside Emacs that kills its own parent, by SIGTERM or SIGHUP from outside, by closing the last frame under the WM, by an LLM agent with an eval tool, and by pulling the power cord.

"I don't think" is never a good argument for making wide claims about anything.

You can: emacs has a menu bar and you can quit emacs that way. If you write code in your .emacs.d to turn off the menu bar, then I think you can be trusted to use the keyboard to quit emacs.

I think you're learning that Toast exists due to "skill issues."

Vim has full mouse support. Not only can you exit, but you can even save using just the mouse.

Emacs in a terminal might not, depending on config and terminal capabilities.

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