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There is absolutely nothing ethically wrong with other models using GPT and Claude for training. Heck, GPT-Sol even helped train GPT-Luna.

There also is nothing wrong with using customer data for training, since millions if not billions of other users benefit from it. Again, even the big players recognize its relevance and do it.

They are using stolen api keys and credentials.

I haven't seen evidence of this. Care to link?

it's in the actual report.

https://www.anthropic.com/threat-intelligence-report-septemb...

In one instance, over a ten-day period, Moonshot relayed almost 300,000 customer requests to Anthropic, the vast majority of which were routed to Opus. Moonshot used a proxy service network of 5,380 fraudulent accounts, most of which appeared to be located in Singapore and Japan.

That says fraudulent, not stolen.

That means they made up the names, basically.

these proxy services create thousands of new accounts using false identities, fake or stolen credit cards, and stolen API keys. They will often use stolen API credentials belonging to legitimate companies or individuals to give unauthorized entities access to US frontier models.

It is a direct result of restricting access to these models. Access to them should never have been restricted. The restriction leaves users with no choice but to use unusual means to obtain access. We have completely forgotten what free trade means and why it is optimal, and we will pay the price for it.

Unusual means? It’s illegal to steal accounts and credit cards. Completely sanctioned by PRC. No other country can compete since they must follow the law, hence mistral not even trying anymore.

No one cares

They probably have no choice because they're not allowed to pay for its use. If they were allowed to pay for a Claude or Codex subscription, they probably would.

Also, it is essential for the model's responses to be without censorship. In reality, responses sent to China by flagship models are known to be weaker.

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