I watched some old driver safety films on DVD a while back. The attitudes were way different, the message on drunk driving was "you probably wouldn't be legally drunk for two, maybe three beers, but your reaction time will be terrible and you will live with regret if you hurt or killed someone, so don't do it."
At least my attitude is the legal limits are low enough that 'just one drink' is going to be over the legal limit (this is almost certainly not accurate, but it's my attitude; additionally when I drink, it's usually a mixed drink which are often more than '1 drink' for BAC estimation purposes). If you get a DUI ticket, even without a collision, it's a huge impact on your life: much higher insurance costs, loss of driving privileges, potentially an ignition interlock device which are expensive and inconvenient, maybe some jail time, difficulty at international borders, etc.
I have less than a handful of alcoholic drinks per decade, so it doesn't impact me, but when I would drink slightly more often, I would always be sure to have a transportation plan. Either public transit, a designated driver or a significant cooling off period between drinking and driving.
That if your drink a single drink within 8 hours of driving you are a filthy criminal that will have blood drawn and thrown in the drunk tank until monday unless you post bail and will have to go to court and prove your innocence with a lawyer.
Defensive alcoholics are a great accompaniment to yesterday's reflexive hatred of self-driving cars. Human drivers are really showing their whole selves this week.
Obviously you haven't pointlessly sat in a jail cell for 12 hours because you had an empty folded box in your back seat after sleeping 8 hours from one of the two times you drink in a year. How dare I have a 0.005 bac! Thats the equivalent of using alcohol based mouthwash before driving!
That's how it is here in Japan by law - zero tolerance, even one drink is too many.
One solution is "daikou" taxis - they drive you home in your own car, with a chase car to bring the driver back. Where I live they're subsidized (volunteers I think) and can actually be cheaper than a taxi https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/運転代行 (use your browsers translate tool)
"the limits are bullshit unless you're borderline unsafe when sober but don't risk it because it's a revenue thing for the state and they'll try hard to get you."
That said, my friends work on boats, cut grass, weld, service generators, etc. for a living so probably the polar opposite of HN let alone the significantly less diverse weekend crowd.
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I watched some old driver safety films on DVD a while back. The attitudes were way different, the message on drunk driving was "you probably wouldn't be legally drunk for two, maybe three beers, but your reaction time will be terrible and you will live with regret if you hurt or killed someone, so don't do it."
As an old person, what's the modern attitude?
At least my attitude is the legal limits are low enough that 'just one drink' is going to be over the legal limit (this is almost certainly not accurate, but it's my attitude; additionally when I drink, it's usually a mixed drink which are often more than '1 drink' for BAC estimation purposes). If you get a DUI ticket, even without a collision, it's a huge impact on your life: much higher insurance costs, loss of driving privileges, potentially an ignition interlock device which are expensive and inconvenient, maybe some jail time, difficulty at international borders, etc.
I have less than a handful of alcoholic drinks per decade, so it doesn't impact me, but when I would drink slightly more often, I would always be sure to have a transportation plan. Either public transit, a designated driver or a significant cooling off period between drinking and driving.
That if your drink a single drink within 8 hours of driving you are a filthy criminal that will have blood drawn and thrown in the drunk tank until monday unless you post bail and will have to go to court and prove your innocence with a lawyer.
Defensive alcoholics are a great accompaniment to yesterday's reflexive hatred of self-driving cars. Human drivers are really showing their whole selves this week.
Obviously you haven't pointlessly sat in a jail cell for 12 hours because you had an empty folded box in your back seat after sleeping 8 hours from one of the two times you drink in a year. How dare I have a 0.005 bac! Thats the equivalent of using alcohol based mouthwash before driving!
In my country there are people who defend alcohol like some kind of an idol. Damn junkies.
Zero alcohol
They way it should be
With this logic one cannot enjoy a drink with a restaurant meal and then drive back home. Seems excessive to me…
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That's how it is here in Japan by law - zero tolerance, even one drink is too many.
One solution is "daikou" taxis - they drive you home in your own car, with a chase car to bring the driver back. Where I live they're subsidized (volunteers I think) and can actually be cheaper than a taxi https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/運転代行 (use your browsers translate tool)
Is this sarcasm? I honestly can't tell. Drinking and driving is obviously not OK and deserves at least huge fines, so I don't get your point.
"the limits are bullshit unless you're borderline unsafe when sober but don't risk it because it's a revenue thing for the state and they'll try hard to get you."
That said, my friends work on boats, cut grass, weld, service generators, etc. for a living so probably the polar opposite of HN let alone the significantly less diverse weekend crowd.