No matter how absurd the situation becomes, no matter how engaging the videos are, we should never be fooled into thinking Iran are the good guys. This is an unfortunate, ill-conceived war, but that doesn't clean Iran's hands.
No matter how absurd the situation becomes, no matter how engaging the videos are, we should never be fooled into thinking Iran are the good guys.
I don't think there are many people who believe "Iran are the good guys."
Lots of people do understand that bombing civilian infrastructure, killing innocent civilians, and taking actions that were inevitably going to lead Iran to respond with the goal of inflicting widespread economic damage has in many ways actually helped and emboldened the Iranian regime.
This wasn't just "unfortunate" and "ill-conceived". It was stupid and arguably criminal.
I don't think there are many people who believe "Iran are the good guys."
I'd consider them allies at least given that all of the bad guys hate Iran with a burning passion. Iran is also the only major country on earth that have actually stood up to Israel and helped defend Palestinians.
These are all things Ukraine does, "bombing civilian infrastructure, killing innocent civilians, and taking actions that were inevitably going to lead Iran[Russia] to respond with the goal of inflicting widespread economic damage". It is extremely tiresome to hear such a litany without a wider analysis. In its mad program to retain control of ... Syria, of all places ... Iran killed and incinerated and dissolved in acid more people than any of this idiocy will ever add up to.
Ukraine has been fighting for its right to continue existing for several years against an aggressor (i.e., Russia), who, from day one, attacked their civilians and civilian infrastructure. Russia shows no signs of giving up after all this time, so I'm not sure I can fault the logic of any Ukranian strategist who concluded they needed to respond in kind in the hopes it might make the war less popular to the Russian population.
If one side in a conflict is ignoring the rules, especially if it's the aggressor/occupying force, you cannot expect the other side to continue following them. The moral high ground is a luxury affordable only when you're the overwhelmingly superior force.
You'll have to point me to the place where I made any comment about or expressed any opinion on Ukraine.
But since you raise the point: I am against any attacks on civilian infrastructure. They are an affront to humanity. Russia's attack on Ukraine was, I believe, a crime but one crime doesn't justify others. Modern warfare will be the end of us and anyone cheering death and destruction, even when it occurs as a result of acts of defense, has lost the plot.
Iran may be the originators of good/evil duality but that doesn't mean we should follow their lead.
Anyway Iran are good enough when we want, we fought alongside them in Afghanistan after 9/11 and against ISIS. Their oil was good enough to (let BP) take 80% of it for 30 years.
"This is an unfortunate, ill-conceived war" - yeah, like we went in and killed some people. Oopsy but that's ok cause we're the good guys. Your logic stinks disregarding how bad the other side is.
Well then you're doing the work of the same people that killed an entire school of little girls in an unprovoked attack. Nothing Iran has done comes close to what the Zionists have done in Iran and many other countries.
You have been fooling yourself for decades that you're the good guys.
But you're not. No amount of mental gymnastics can help at this point to justify all the evil things USA does around the globe because of greed and lust for dominance.
Iranian regime are not the good guys either, but they're the product of what regimes in UK and USA was doing to the country for decades, because of their oil.
Iran has nothing on Israel when it comes to interfering with other nations. This is simply propaganda and missing the elephant in the room (on purpose of course).
Iran has nothing on Israel when it comes to interfering with other nations. This is simply propaganda and missing the elephant in the room (on purpose of course).
I'm so tired of this geopolitical whataboutism.
Once at tech policy happy hour, someone got in my face and demanded I affirm that Israel has a right to exist.
They recoiled as if they'd been physically struck when I shot back "Israel has a right to exist and not do war crimes... just like Saudi Arabia".
(I don't give a fuck if you have dip-lo-mat-ic imm-un-itt-y. I've slapped the soul out of someone in Farragut Square before, and as I sit here looking at the data, I've concluded I'll probably do it again, don't you ever put your fucking hands on me.)
There is no reason to treat the leaders of Israel any different than the leaders of countries like UAE, Qatar, etc.
(And if it was up to me, we'd send all these fascist motherfuckers on a free trip to The Hague.)
Reminds me of a recent story about a Norwegian teenager who traveled to the UK to perform a hitman job for the Foxtrot Network, a Swedish organized crime group linked to Iran. The teenager received instructions from someone called "Agent 47."
The Israeli government has openly and publicly stated they will spread false information and propaganda directly through social media etc, which they heavily control all throughout the west, and have directly threatened western politicians that don't support their (often false) rhetoric, along with themselves conducting terrorist activities outside their own borders.
I'm frankly quite tired of hearing about how terrible the Iranians are (and they are), because the people they are fighting are arguably worse. Iran are a threat to the middle east, but they're fighting nations that are actively a threat to the entire planet.
How are the Israeli and US governments a threat to the entire planet and (arguably) worse than a authoritarian fundamentalist religious regime? If Iran gets a nuke are they more or less likely to use it than the Israelis?
Does Israel heavily control social media throughout the West?
Multiple foreign governments are ruining influence operations. We should be talking about the effects that has on our public sphere, and the existence of Israeli influence operations doesn't mean we handwave away Iranian influence.
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No matter how absurd the situation becomes, no matter how engaging the videos are, we should never be fooled into thinking Iran are the good guys. This is an unfortunate, ill-conceived war, but that doesn't clean Iran's hands.
I don't think there are many people who believe "Iran are the good guys."
Lots of people do understand that bombing civilian infrastructure, killing innocent civilians, and taking actions that were inevitably going to lead Iran to respond with the goal of inflicting widespread economic damage has in many ways actually helped and emboldened the Iranian regime.
This wasn't just "unfortunate" and "ill-conceived". It was stupid and arguably criminal.
And it was known in advance: https://www.amerikanets.com/p/they-saw-it-coming
I'd consider them allies at least given that all of the bad guys hate Iran with a burning passion. Iran is also the only major country on earth that have actually stood up to Israel and helped defend Palestinians.
These are all things Ukraine does, "bombing civilian infrastructure, killing innocent civilians, and taking actions that were inevitably going to lead Iran[Russia] to respond with the goal of inflicting widespread economic damage". It is extremely tiresome to hear such a litany without a wider analysis. In its mad program to retain control of ... Syria, of all places ... Iran killed and incinerated and dissolved in acid more people than any of this idiocy will ever add up to.
Ukraine has been fighting for its right to continue existing for several years against an aggressor (i.e., Russia), who, from day one, attacked their civilians and civilian infrastructure. Russia shows no signs of giving up after all this time, so I'm not sure I can fault the logic of any Ukranian strategist who concluded they needed to respond in kind in the hopes it might make the war less popular to the Russian population.
If one side in a conflict is ignoring the rules, especially if it's the aggressor/occupying force, you cannot expect the other side to continue following them. The moral high ground is a luxury affordable only when you're the overwhelmingly superior force.
You'll have to point me to the place where I made any comment about or expressed any opinion on Ukraine.
But since you raise the point: I am against any attacks on civilian infrastructure. They are an affront to humanity. Russia's attack on Ukraine was, I believe, a crime but one crime doesn't justify others. Modern warfare will be the end of us and anyone cheering death and destruction, even when it occurs as a result of acts of defense, has lost the plot.
Iran, like the Ukraine was attacked first. That being said Iran is waging a more moral war than Ukraine in my opinion.
Iran may be the originators of good/evil duality but that doesn't mean we should follow their lead.
Anyway Iran are good enough when we want, we fought alongside them in Afghanistan after 9/11 and against ISIS. Their oil was good enough to (let BP) take 80% of it for 30 years.
You destroyed their country on a basis of Israel's messianic ambitions and your voracious capitalists infinite greed. This is the truth.
And now you are blabbering about "good/bad guys"..
You are just totally nuts, and your place is on the same bench where nazi officials sat after 1945.
Well then you're doing the work of the same people that killed an entire school of little girls in an unprovoked attack. Nothing Iran has done comes close to what the Zionists have done in Iran and many other countries.
You have been fooling yourself for decades that you're the good guys.
But you're not. No amount of mental gymnastics can help at this point to justify all the evil things USA does around the globe because of greed and lust for dominance.
I do need to agree with you.
Iranian regime are not the good guys either, but they're the product of what regimes in UK and USA was doing to the country for decades, because of their oil.
Exactly.
Iran are the bad guys. Israel are the worse guys.
Iran has nothing on Israel when it comes to interfering with other nations. This is simply propaganda and missing the elephant in the room (on purpose of course).
I've never heard of Israel trying to kill overseas critics? As opposed to terrorists who try to kill Israelies.
I've never heard of Israel trying to kill overseas critics?..
Could it be because they're really good at it?
They kill journalists (not even critics) all the time. They've murdered people in Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Yemen...
I'm sure they've killed plenty of people in the US and elsewhere as well. Epstein was an Israeli op after all.
lord knows they sure kill or kidnap people overseas tho
but i'll concede some of them were literally nazis
Palestinians say that Israel deliberately kills palestinian journalists, poets.
I lived in Israel, and know Israel well enough to believe this is true.
I'm so tired of this geopolitical whataboutism.
Once at tech policy happy hour, someone got in my face and demanded I affirm that Israel has a right to exist.
They recoiled as if they'd been physically struck when I shot back "Israel has a right to exist and not do war crimes... just like Saudi Arabia".
(I don't give a fuck if you have dip-lo-mat-ic imm-un-itt-y. I've slapped the soul out of someone in Farragut Square before, and as I sit here looking at the data, I've concluded I'll probably do it again, don't you ever put your fucking hands on me.)
There is no reason to treat the leaders of Israel any different than the leaders of countries like UAE, Qatar, etc.
(And if it was up to me, we'd send all these fascist motherfuckers on a free trip to The Hague.)
Which other countries in the west also do war crimes and where’s the comparable outrage about them?
Reminds me of a recent story about a Norwegian teenager who traveled to the UK to perform a hitman job for the Foxtrot Network, a Swedish organized crime group linked to Iran. The teenager received instructions from someone called "Agent 47."
EDIT: Article for reference, https://archive.ph/xNSr2.
Can you give me the original link? I know all about archive dot ph.
The Israeli government has openly and publicly stated they will spread false information and propaganda directly through social media etc, which they heavily control all throughout the west, and have directly threatened western politicians that don't support their (often false) rhetoric, along with themselves conducting terrorist activities outside their own borders.
I'm frankly quite tired of hearing about how terrible the Iranians are (and they are), because the people they are fighting are arguably worse. Iran are a threat to the middle east, but they're fighting nations that are actively a threat to the entire planet.
How are the Israeli and US governments a threat to the entire planet and (arguably) worse than a authoritarian fundamentalist religious regime? If Iran gets a nuke are they more or less likely to use it than the Israelis?
Does Israel heavily control social media throughout the West?
Multiple foreign governments are ruining influence operations. We should be talking about the effects that has on our public sphere, and the existence of Israeli influence operations doesn't mean we handwave away Iranian influence.
Lol the pro zionist accounts are arriving it seems.
Sounds like some of Trump's people are double-dipping Uncle Sam and the Ayatollah.
terrible. pretty sure all major intelligence agencies do this to some degree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardeep_Singh_Nijjar
Too many examples from US, Israel, Russia
Some degree? They're all criminals and therefore all of them do this.