None of that matters if you don't have a HDR monitor, only have one monitor, and when absolute basics of window management are somehow broken under KDE Wayland. Why that even has anything to do with Wayland I don't know. I just know that it all works perfectly when I use KDE X11. Maybe other DEs/WMs have better Wayland implementations, I don't know.
I use KDE and have for 10+ years. In my experience, kwin is the most stable and performant it's ever been. I don't notice anything at all, ever. Under X, it was common to get stuttering, tears, and dropped frames. Not anymore. I mean I run 2 204hz 1440p monitors. And it's perfect, always.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's clear that basics of window management are not universally broken under Wayland. It works well for me and has for a couple of years.
None of that matters if you don't have a HDR monitor, only have one monitor, and when absolute basics of window management are somehow broken under KDE Wayland
So you think we should have one protocol for people who have HDR etc and another for those that don't?
Yeah, but it works under KDE+X11. Wayland it the thing that changes. I think KDE has it's own Wayland implementation? kwin_wayland is what is broken, probably. Why they broke it when porting it from X11 I don't know. But the effect is the same: Can't use it as of now.
I don't condemn the protocol. I specifically mention the buggy implementation. I say that I use X11 because KDE's Wayland implementation is so buggy.
I want to use KDE. KDE was perfect for me before Wayland. I don't criticize Wayland here, I criticize KDE Wayland. And I'm worried because very soon KDE will delete X11 support.
But you can condemn the organization and people pushing for the deprecation and abandonment of another protocol, when the alternative one (Wayland) has nowhere near the level and quality of support and breadth of capabilities as the existing one. GP puts the blame on KDE - and it would be partially their responsibility if they were to drop X11, for sure, but the underlying initiative is RedHat/IBM's.
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None of that matters if you don't have a HDR monitor, only have one monitor, and when absolute basics of window management are somehow broken under KDE Wayland. Why that even has anything to do with Wayland I don't know. I just know that it all works perfectly when I use KDE X11. Maybe other DEs/WMs have better Wayland implementations, I don't know.
I use KDE and have for 10+ years. In my experience, kwin is the most stable and performant it's ever been. I don't notice anything at all, ever. Under X, it was common to get stuttering, tears, and dropped frames. Not anymore. I mean I run 2 204hz 1440p monitors. And it's perfect, always.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's clear that basics of window management are not universally broken under Wayland. It works well for me and has for a couple of years.
Multiple monitors care about this :)
So you think we should have one protocol for people who have HDR etc and another for those that don't?
Gnome /Wayland on Fedora44. No issues to report. AMD, but previously NVIDIA 4060.
Issue is not wayland but KDE from what I understand here
Yeah, but it works under KDE+X11. Wayland it the thing that changes. I think KDE has it's own Wayland implementation? kwin_wayland is what is broken, probably. Why they broke it when porting it from X11 I don't know. But the effect is the same: Can't use it as of now.
You can't condemn a protocol because there are bad or buggy implementations.
HTML5 was not shitty because internet explorer was a shitty browser.
I don't condemn the protocol. I specifically mention the buggy implementation. I say that I use X11 because KDE's Wayland implementation is so buggy.
I want to use KDE. KDE was perfect for me before Wayland. I don't criticize Wayland here, I criticize KDE Wayland. And I'm worried because very soon KDE will delete X11 support.
But you can condemn the organization and people pushing for the deprecation and abandonment of another protocol, when the alternative one (Wayland) has nowhere near the level and quality of support and breadth of capabilities as the existing one. GP puts the blame on KDE - and it would be partially their responsibility if they were to drop X11, for sure, but the underlying initiative is RedHat/IBM's.
What is Wayland as a protocol missing?