Me too. I really wanted to like Cosmic but the hassles wayland causes with ordinary things like zoom is just not worth it. Plus all the progress with gaming that has been made on Linux, wayland ruins. I’m back to X and get off my lawn etc.
What is the issue with zoom on wayland? Granted I only use on a web browser but I have entered numerous zoom calls these last 6 months without any issue.
Yup pretty much. Desktop sharing on Chromium based browsers is fine (probably others but I can't vouch for them), it's fine on OBS Studio, portals work, etc...
But there's a contingent of Linux users that thinks anything new = bad so they'll find the most dogshit app that doesn't work and trot it out as proof that the new thing is bad.
For me zoom works out of the box on kde + wayland. But an app as popular as zoom working correctly for everyone is table stakes.
The fact some people are encountering issues just means that something in the transition wasn't perfect. Given the huge lift involved, it could have been a lot worse. I just wish there was clearer communication and strategies for transition from the wayland folks, and less fearmongering and entrenching from both sides.
On AMD hardware, VRR works fine on xorg and has for quite a long while now... so long as you have either a single active monitor (or maybe the restriction is just "don't have any active non-VRR monitors"). [0] I don't have Intel or Nvidia hardware so I can't test, but the Arch wiki says that they both work fine with VRR. [1]
The only Wayland feature that I've heard be commonly touted that xorg lacks is HDR support.
[0] I don't know which is it because I haven't bothered to go out and buy a second VRR-capable monitor.
Are you doing that with xorg or Wayland? If with xorg, have you verified that VRR is working? [0] If you've verified it, how'd you make it work? It'd be quite nice to have both multi-monitor and VRR... unless I have to make some terrible tradeoff to make it happen.
[0] My go-to is using the "scrolling bars" mode of this LÖVE program [1] to make judder at update rates that aren't an -er- even fraction of the screen's refresh rate pretty easy to spot... but if you have something that works for you, that's good.
I would never, ever, ever, use X in 2026 for general use. There would have to be some kind of niche and important business reason.
X, for all the teeth gnashing, is effectively a virtually dead, and virtually unsupported technology at this point. There are some small pockets here and there of people that really want or need it, and a few of those people are also working on tweaks and patches, but it's a tiny handful compared to the people and money and companies working on or with Wayland at this point. I know some people here are very upset about that.
Years and years ago Wayland sucked ass. Now? Performance and stability have been great on modern distros with modern kernels and GPUs. If performance was substantially worse or more clumsy to use with Wayland vs X, then I'd certainly be using X, but that's just not the case for me in 2026.
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Me too. I really wanted to like Cosmic but the hassles wayland causes with ordinary things like zoom is just not worth it. Plus all the progress with gaming that has been made on Linux, wayland ruins. I’m back to X and get off my lawn etc.
What is the issue with zoom on wayland? Granted I only use on a web browser but I have entered numerous zoom calls these last 6 months without any issue.
Isn't the issue just the zoom desktop app?
Yup pretty much. Desktop sharing on Chromium based browsers is fine (probably others but I can't vouch for them), it's fine on OBS Studio, portals work, etc...
But there's a contingent of Linux users that thinks anything new = bad so they'll find the most dogshit app that doesn't work and trot it out as proof that the new thing is bad.
For me zoom works out of the box on kde + wayland. But an app as popular as zoom working correctly for everyone is table stakes.
The fact some people are encountering issues just means that something in the transition wasn't perfect. Given the huge lift involved, it could have been a lot worse. I just wish there was clearer communication and strategies for transition from the wayland folks, and less fearmongering and entrenching from both sides.
There's thousands of Linux distros. I'd assume most of them are not super close to the Wayland folks.
Screen share doesn’t work on my setup. Difficultly: nvidia
Majority of that gaming progress was made by Valve for Steam Deck. And Steam Deck uses Wayland
So what are the Pop!Is guys doing wrong? Their plain X environment has none of the gaming issues wayland has
they wrote a whole DE from scratch. It's gonna take awhile for it be up to snuff for everything.
You are using alpha level DE made by a tiny company in their free time.
What are you using instead of Cosmic? (for X)
Whatever environment Pop!Os defaults to if you tell it not to use wayland
You're way behind.
Wayland is fine. Wayland + VRR is even better.
XWayland otoh is quite bad.
https://marco-nett.de/blog/measuring-input-latency-on-linux-...
On AMD hardware, VRR works fine on xorg and has for quite a long while now... so long as you have either a single active monitor (or maybe the restriction is just "don't have any active non-VRR monitors"). [0] I don't have Intel or Nvidia hardware so I can't test, but the Arch wiki says that they both work fine with VRR. [1]
The only Wayland feature that I've heard be commonly touted that xorg lacks is HDR support.
[0] I don't know which is it because I haven't bothered to go out and buy a second VRR-capable monitor.
[1] <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Variable_refresh_...>
I am running Fedora 44 with a mix of monitors using vrr and and no vrr on AMD 9060 XT with mixed refresh rates. No issues.
Ooh!
Are you doing that with xorg or Wayland? If with xorg, have you verified that VRR is working? [0] If you've verified it, how'd you make it work? It'd be quite nice to have both multi-monitor and VRR... unless I have to make some terrible tradeoff to make it happen.
[0] My go-to is using the "scrolling bars" mode of this LÖVE program [1] to make judder at update rates that aren't an -er- even fraction of the screen's refresh rate pretty easy to spot... but if you have something that works for you, that's good.
[1] <https://github.com/Nixola/VRRTest/releases/tag/v2.0.0>
Wayland, X was removed long ago.
I game on this rig with proton.
I would never, ever, ever, use X in 2026 for general use. There would have to be some kind of niche and important business reason.
X, for all the teeth gnashing, is effectively a virtually dead, and virtually unsupported technology at this point. There are some small pockets here and there of people that really want or need it, and a few of those people are also working on tweaks and patches, but it's a tiny handful compared to the people and money and companies working on or with Wayland at this point. I know some people here are very upset about that.
Years and years ago Wayland sucked ass. Now? Performance and stability have been great on modern distros with modern kernels and GPUs. If performance was substantially worse or more clumsy to use with Wayland vs X, then I'd certainly be using X, but that's just not the case for me in 2026.