I completely understand that they only want high quality data
I worked on "openopeningstijden", where my aim was to improve the data for businesses in OSM and to disclose that in apis and uis.
There were other reasons why I had to pull the plug, but a big difficulty was the understandable conservatism of OSM.
I didn't even want any tagging schemes changed, or the insane dsl for "opening hours" improved, at that time.
All I wanted was to allow obviously "wrong" data to be flagged with a note. Where "wrong" could easily be proven with links to other resources. "The shop is permanently closed. See this url at archive org about their announcement" or "contact details wrong. See their website at url and cross check with BigFoodDeliveryPlatform entry at ..."
Again. Reluctance for such automation is understandable wrt intelectual property rights. It becomes too easy for editors to copy in data that's not allowed.
But the result is that businesses on OSM are poorly represented, often many are missing. That data is hopelessly outdated. And that consumers use proprietary sources and apps to find e.g. a vegetarian restaurant in an unknown city, or to find out if the hairdresser is open at noon.
First of all, I assume you are from the Netherlands (based on the .nl)
The Dutch OSM-community indeed is very conservative, a bit too much IMHO. We Belgians are more relaxed :)
Such a dataset would still be useful, but perhaps in a quality assurance tool, not as map notes that would clog the map. Can you link more information?
This was international. And it was a long while ago, so I don't have anything online to point to anymore. Sorry.
If "Map Notes clog the map" then there still is something needed in OSM to allow data that's not directly geographical, to be kept up to date, the POI data.
Aside from technicalities: if we want a free, open, etc etc alternative to Google Maps, we need to ensure POI data is of high quality, up to date, and comprehensive.
While it's very useful for many to have all traffic-lights, bike-lanes or waterways mapped, in practice, osmand, maps.me, organic-maps etc etc aren't used when Google maps shows accurate list of Bakeries (or campsites, or anything really) but the OSM-sourced ones don't.
Users, like me, only accept driving to e.g. a campsite that's been closed for over a year a very few times before grabbing Google Maps again. I'll edit OSM in these cases. Open Openingstijden was one of a few experiments where I researched "improving and maintaining POI data".
If we consider the amount of "alternatives to Google Maps" that now don't contribute back to OSM, because of technicalities, legal things etc etc, we miss a lot of good POI data that makes these alternatives viable in areas where Google Maps is the one and only king atm.
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I worked on "openopeningstijden", where my aim was to improve the data for businesses in OSM and to disclose that in apis and uis.
There were other reasons why I had to pull the plug, but a big difficulty was the understandable conservatism of OSM. I didn't even want any tagging schemes changed, or the insane dsl for "opening hours" improved, at that time.
All I wanted was to allow obviously "wrong" data to be flagged with a note. Where "wrong" could easily be proven with links to other resources. "The shop is permanently closed. See this url at archive org about their announcement" or "contact details wrong. See their website at url and cross check with BigFoodDeliveryPlatform entry at ..."
Again. Reluctance for such automation is understandable wrt intelectual property rights. It becomes too easy for editors to copy in data that's not allowed.
But the result is that businesses on OSM are poorly represented, often many are missing. That data is hopelessly outdated. And that consumers use proprietary sources and apps to find e.g. a vegetarian restaurant in an unknown city, or to find out if the hairdresser is open at noon.
First of all, I assume you are from the Netherlands (based on the .nl)
The Dutch OSM-community indeed is very conservative, a bit too much IMHO. We Belgians are more relaxed :)
Such a dataset would still be useful, but perhaps in a quality assurance tool, not as map notes that would clog the map. Can you link more information?
This was international. And it was a long while ago, so I don't have anything online to point to anymore. Sorry.
If "Map Notes clog the map" then there still is something needed in OSM to allow data that's not directly geographical, to be kept up to date, the POI data.
Aside from technicalities: if we want a free, open, etc etc alternative to Google Maps, we need to ensure POI data is of high quality, up to date, and comprehensive.
While it's very useful for many to have all traffic-lights, bike-lanes or waterways mapped, in practice, osmand, maps.me, organic-maps etc etc aren't used when Google maps shows accurate list of Bakeries (or campsites, or anything really) but the OSM-sourced ones don't.
Users, like me, only accept driving to e.g. a campsite that's been closed for over a year a very few times before grabbing Google Maps again. I'll edit OSM in these cases. Open Openingstijden was one of a few experiments where I researched "improving and maintaining POI data".
If we consider the amount of "alternatives to Google Maps" that now don't contribute back to OSM, because of technicalities, legal things etc etc, we miss a lot of good POI data that makes these alternatives viable in areas where Google Maps is the one and only king atm.