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Have had two Xiaomi phones in a row, I don't see the second rate.

My in law has a BYD Seagull, fail to see how it lags compared to similarly priced cars.

Chinese cars are incredibly popular in Europe, because they are better cars at the same price tag, even the more expensive ones.

I think it's asinine to think their high end manufacturing is crap, keeps us non competitive, let alone ignoring most of our stuff or large parts of it already comes from China.

And it has nothing to do with wages, modern high end manufacturing is highly automated and skilled engineers are as expensive as in southern or central Europe.

Chinese cars are exactly same story as Japanese and Korean cars, first they ignored them, then they laughed at them, then they won

Chinese cars were sold at a loss until very recently, though, and now they are struggling. So it's a bit different than Japan and Korea.

I would need some source that Chinese cars are sold at a loss outside China, because I seriously doubt it.

It's like those people thinking Aliexpress/Temu products are subsidized by Chinese gov, not realizing that Ali/Temu is extremely expensive and you can buy products there for like 1/2 - 1/10th of their price in Chinese online shops (especially Pinduoduo), people claiming China is subsidizing this and that don't realize how cheap is to produce products. Been in China last summer, bought 4 big suitcases full of things mostly from Pinduoduo.

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