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Correct according to what? An employee who punched in at 9AM wouldn't show up as having punched in at 9AM anymore. Not unless you also store the exact timezone the UTC timestamps have been created with - but that's basically local timestamps with extra steps.

tzdata doesn’t change retroactively [1].

If an employee clocks in at 2026-06-22 09:00 America/Sao_Paulo time, (which has a -03:00 offset today), and the server's clock is in UTC, the server will save 2026-06-22 12:00 to the database.

If America/Sao_Paulo changes to -02:00 on 2027, it doesn’t affect conversions for past dates. You still get 2026-06-22 09:00 when trying to convert 2026-06-22 12:00 to local time in America/Sao_Paulo.

edit: [1] unless it was wrong. in which case, you actually still want the UTC timestamp stored, so that you can just update tzdata and get correct local times, as opposed to saving the wrong local times in your database, that you now have to also fix.

But which tzdata? Do you have the timezone or do you not have the timezone? If you have the timezone then why is your timestamp in UTC and not in the timezone that you have to store alongside the UTC timestamp?

Whichever timezone is relevant to the analysis later when the data is read.

If you want to see if an employee is late compared to the time their shift starts, the system needs to know the time their shift starts in UTC, because otherwise if they start a shift in during a timezone change, it’ll think they’re extremely late/early.

If you want to pay them for their (clock out - clock in) time, UTC.

If they’re a remote worker on your team, and you want see your entire team’s availability, you should probably see it in _your_ local time instead.

I’ve found that whenever it looks like I need to know the local time that the user had when they did something, it’s because I’m implicitly anchoring it to some other timestamp that my system doesn’t know and that should also be recorded in UTC (like, in this example, the time their shift is supposed to start).

Some nuance applies, of course.

Sometimes, the relevant timezone is whatever the local timezone was when and where the timestamp was recorded. Which is information that's lost on UTC conversion.

Sure, you can reconstruct it if you stored the "where" part somewhere else, and associated the "where" with the timestamp's timezone (e.g. the Offices table has a Timezone column that you JOIN with the punch-in times). But that assumes you stored it somewhere else. It also assumes said storage is readily available. It also assumes there was no human error in recording that value (what if the office was accidentally assigned Seattle PST instead of BC PST back when it didn't matter?) It also assumes it was possible to record it correctly in the first place (what if the office is in Kimberley, BC but the software only allowed selecting BC timezone?)

Alternatively, you store the timezone directly in the timestamp itself and avoid all these problems and more.

No tzdata. When a time becomes the past you canonicalize it to the UTC, or better yet TAI, second it occurred at. As in, this occurred N cesium atom vibrations after the zero timestamp.

That is permanently fixed and can be losslessly and perfectly converted to the corresponding date in the past if you care about what local time was at that instant at some location.

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