Going out on a limb and guessing he means unquestioningly bending over—in this case, rather literally—for authority figures in the face of unreasonable demands.
IMO, Philip Zombardo's studies (most famously, the Stanford prison experiment[0]) suggest this is nothing new.
Actually, nothing. I just posted it because I am in shock after reading it. Feel free to downvote, or, I'll just delete it. Are you one of the "nearly one third"?
EDIT: To be fair though, it does have a Jewish connection - cattle trains?
No, I'm not of the "nearly one third". I think the privacy implications of the current TSA procedures are not anywhere near the most problematic privacy issues in our society, but an escalation of that type would be beyond what I would accept.
I am, however, Jewish, and was originally a math major in college, so I do have a particular interest in this story and would appreciate it if the conversation could stay on topic.
The "cattle train" connection is pretty contrived. One is voluntary travel, the other involuntary. One is certainly a breech of dignity, rationality, and privacy, but the other was often deadly, and is at a completely different level of dehumanization.
Well, Hitler was inspired by the american concentration camps for native americans to build his own concentration camps for Jews:
“Hitler’s concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America’s extermination – by starvation and uneven combat – of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.” (“Adolph Hitler” by John Toland, p 202)
Plus, there were two to three times more native americans that were killed by European invaders in the US region, than Jews that died in the holocaust.
So, the US already has HAD a holocaust problem in the past.
(One would call dropping two bombs to 250,000 civilians and evaporating them, a holocaust itself, by the very definition of the term)
The US's extermination of American Indians was brilliant and cunning. If you study the historical record, one thing you become aware of is that the colonists didn't originally have the advantage. They had guns, but that wasn't so much of an edge that the Indians couldn't have wiped out the colonists with their superior numbers.
Even at the time of the American Revolution, you see treaties with the Delaware Indians that are incredibly deferential, asking for their permission to cross Indian territory to fight the British.
The exterimination proceeded slowly over almost 100 years. We would make treaties, at first deferential then increasingly aggressive, to placate the Indians while slowly moving them off desirable land. American numbers grew while Indian numbers dwindled, until we got to the state that exists now, with them isolated to tiny little pockets of land.
What happened, from what I've read, is that initial contact put enough European disease into the population that the population and society collapsed; it was thus much easier for Europeans settling here to win.
The Amazon was, allegedly, basically a garden at one point -- the natives the Spanish eventually encountered were just broken remains of a much larger civilization which had been successful and then disappeared.
What's disgusting is that the abuse continues to this very day.
First they were decimated, then they were forced into "reformation camps" to break their spirit, and then casino licenses and the like were thrown to them as a bone (and to corrupt and silence the more tempted or gullible with the easy money).
The government and various interested parties even try to take some of their supposedly "sovereign" reservation lands from them and/or poison them to get profitable minerals such as Uranium.
I met one of the creators of the movie in Chicago. One of the guys behind it, Jeff Spitz, is a very articulate advocate and has been following this story since 2000. His group followed up the movie with webisodes to update the story and use the movie to put pressure on the EPA.
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I think America will soon be having a Holocaust problem.
http://www.infowars.com/poll-nearly-one-third-of-americans-w...
Ah, an Infowars article. Always a credible source.
wow, they commissioned a survey. Pretty interesting actually.
http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/november2012/poll.do...
What exactly does that have to do with math or intolerance?
Going out on a limb and guessing he means unquestioningly bending over—in this case, rather literally—for authority figures in the face of unreasonable demands.
IMO, Philip Zombardo's studies (most famously, the Stanford prison experiment[0]) suggest this is nothing new.
[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
Actually, nothing. I just posted it because I am in shock after reading it. Feel free to downvote, or, I'll just delete it. Are you one of the "nearly one third"?
EDIT: To be fair though, it does have a Jewish connection - cattle trains?
No, I'm not of the "nearly one third". I think the privacy implications of the current TSA procedures are not anywhere near the most problematic privacy issues in our society, but an escalation of that type would be beyond what I would accept.
I am, however, Jewish, and was originally a math major in college, so I do have a particular interest in this story and would appreciate it if the conversation could stay on topic.
The "cattle train" connection is pretty contrived. One is voluntary travel, the other involuntary. One is certainly a breech of dignity, rationality, and privacy, but the other was often deadly, and is at a completely different level of dehumanization.
If you read something and find it compelling, submit it as a new story rather than tacking it on to an unrelated comment thread.
Well, Hitler was inspired by the american concentration camps for native americans to build his own concentration camps for Jews:
“Hitler’s concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America’s extermination – by starvation and uneven combat – of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.” (“Adolph Hitler” by John Toland, p 202)
Plus, there were two to three times more native americans that were killed by European invaders in the US region, than Jews that died in the holocaust.
So, the US already has HAD a holocaust problem in the past.
(One would call dropping two bombs to 250,000 civilians and evaporating them, a holocaust itself, by the very definition of the term)
The US's extermination of American Indians was brilliant and cunning. If you study the historical record, one thing you become aware of is that the colonists didn't originally have the advantage. They had guns, but that wasn't so much of an edge that the Indians couldn't have wiped out the colonists with their superior numbers.
Even at the time of the American Revolution, you see treaties with the Delaware Indians that are incredibly deferential, asking for their permission to cross Indian territory to fight the British.
The exterimination proceeded slowly over almost 100 years. We would make treaties, at first deferential then increasingly aggressive, to placate the Indians while slowly moving them off desirable land. American numbers grew while Indian numbers dwindled, until we got to the state that exists now, with them isolated to tiny little pockets of land.
What happened, from what I've read, is that initial contact put enough European disease into the population that the population and society collapsed; it was thus much easier for Europeans settling here to win.
The Amazon was, allegedly, basically a garden at one point -- the natives the Spanish eventually encountered were just broken remains of a much larger civilization which had been successful and then disappeared.
http://www.amazon.com/1491-Revelations-Americas-Before-Colum...
Exactly as you described it.
I had the privilege to discuss the issue with the late Russell Means ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Means ) a few years ago.
What's disgusting is that the abuse continues to this very day.
First they were decimated, then they were forced into "reformation camps" to break their spirit, and then casino licenses and the like were thrown to them as a bone (and to corrupt and silence the more tempted or gullible with the easy money).
The government and various interested parties even try to take some of their supposedly "sovereign" reservation lands from them and/or poison them to get profitable minerals such as Uranium.
Have you seen this movie re: uranium mining on Navajo land? http://navajoboy.com/
I met one of the creators of the movie in Chicago. One of the guys behind it, Jeff Spitz, is a very articulate advocate and has been following this story since 2000. His group followed up the movie with webisodes to update the story and use the movie to put pressure on the EPA.
No, looks interesting, I'll check it out.
Thanks.