Windows 11 usage is declining. The Xbox is selling vastly less than Sony/Nintendo. PC gamers are moving to SteamOS and Linux. The billions poured into OpenAI no longer look so smart given very competitive offerings elsewhere.
Despite all this they still have a hugely profitable business, a pretty decent OS under all the adware, and a defacto monopoly on business productivity software.
Corporations get their software into businesses through the exact same process software gets replaced in those companies… usually through IT and/or users using things personally who become their champions.
So which paragraph do you think was more relevant to their recommendation…the one where they already have most of the customers they will ever have, or the one where people are increasingly moving away from them in their daily lives?
in just last 5 months they got two new corporate customers with 1400 and 550 employees. and this is just me, one nobody that knows about. if you think they are not getting new corporate customers not daily but hourly you mite be tad misinformed.
as an exercise see how many job openings there are where you won’t be using MSFT products if you get the gig :)
Likely using a rather generous definition of “new”. There is a difference between a new customer, and buying a license. Im also fairly doubtful that every server, docker, vm, and appliance is also running Windows. And even if said 2000 users are using Windows for absolutely every system, it’s still a meaningless anecdote about a drop in the bucket. I don’t think anyone suggested that Microsoft doesn’t have customers? But I suspect they were far from “new” customers, even if a new company, because I guarantee something somewhere was replaced for every one of them; bankrupt businesses they replaced, old hardware, whatever. Arguing the opposite would certainly seem to be naive on face.
wasn't expecting to read that Microsoft is not getting new corporate customers but here we are, you learn something new every day :)
none of this is anecdotal, I make a living as contractor and in just past two years have worked on numerous moving-to-microsoft projects, Oracle to SQL Server, AWS to Azure, Sharepoint etc etc... I am not a fan of MSFT by any means but what you are writing makes absolutely no sense. You should read MSFT quarterly earnings reports and not read few anecdotal things people on HN write about MSFT. It is M7 for a reason and practically has no competition (which is why they are able to do shit like Windows 11 and Copilot and... people on HN might be bitching but it is just for entertainment purposes)
Anecdotes like “I’ve done blah blah over two years”? Correct, I ignore anecdotes just like that. You can argue whatever you like — you seem to be heavily financially motivated to do so while I neither own Microsoft stock nor earn my money by convincing people to use their products. As a result, feel free to continue your evangelism while I go ahead and extricate myself from your sphere of biases.
Have you used their products recently? I predict we’re at the beginning of a downward trajectory. I’m not saying they’re going bankrupt but there are better tech companies in which to put your money.
Maybe not the point you were making, but Windows 8 was lame, then 8.1 was an improvement, 10 was more improvement, and now 11 is further improvement. That's from a daily user. A lot of Windows criticism sounds like it comes from non-users or users who want to be in the hater in-group more than they want to invest in setting it up well.
The AI stuff is definitely terrible, but I turned it off a long time ago and never see it, it's another thing I don't understand the outrage about. The FUD about it getting reactivated hasn't come to pass for me.
Windows 11 was clearly a regression after a very good Windows 10. Task bar from Win10 had been completely deleted and a garbage tablet replacement had been pushed in. It's already what, 3 or 4 years in Win11 an task bar still don't have a comparable functionality. It is also slower in performance, it takes visible seconds just to open a volume slider, which loaded almost instantly on Win10 and same hardware. There were multiple severe problems with AMD performance on release, fixed much later, again showing that hey took inferior code or even build from scratch (meaning Win10 had a superior code inside). Explorer has been degraded significantly, I usually use Total Commander and don't have to interact with it, but unfortunately Save/Open File menus are still Explorer ones. And there it has applied this new file "structure" of Today/LastWeek/LastMonth and so on, which overrides normal sorting rules for some folders like Downloads. finding files are now a damn quest. I had to change my downloads directory to a user created one in every program, just to avoid this crap.
And the list goes on, I just don't remember every single UI regression issue I've encountered right away. But Win11 is clearly bad. Not the awful bad, but annoying bad daily.
I agree with your points... From my POV, the pattern seems to be good/bad/good/bad, but what actually happens is a subtle lowering of our standards and expectations that we have towards what an OS has to do and how it does things. With every bad version, the next version seems to be less bad or even good, but what it does is lower the standard further.
Stuff started to move to one drive, office is all cloud now, they are subtly chipping away the personal computing concept...
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If you ignore the stock price and just check in on the state of windows after windows 7, you get a clear picture
If I owned MSFT I would be selling right now.
because?
Windows 11 usage is declining. The Xbox is selling vastly less than Sony/Nintendo. PC gamers are moving to SteamOS and Linux. The billions poured into OpenAI no longer look so smart given very competitive offerings elsewhere.
Despite all this they still have a hugely profitable business, a pretty decent OS under all the adware, and a defacto monopoly on business productivity software.
first paragraph is why we should be selling or second?
Corporations get their software into businesses through the exact same process software gets replaced in those companies… usually through IT and/or users using things personally who become their champions.
So which paragraph do you think was more relevant to their recommendation…the one where they already have most of the customers they will ever have, or the one where people are increasingly moving away from them in their daily lives?
in just last 5 months they got two new corporate customers with 1400 and 550 employees. and this is just me, one nobody that knows about. if you think they are not getting new corporate customers not daily but hourly you mite be tad misinformed.
as an exercise see how many job openings there are where you won’t be using MSFT products if you get the gig :)
Likely using a rather generous definition of “new”. There is a difference between a new customer, and buying a license. Im also fairly doubtful that every server, docker, vm, and appliance is also running Windows. And even if said 2000 users are using Windows for absolutely every system, it’s still a meaningless anecdote about a drop in the bucket. I don’t think anyone suggested that Microsoft doesn’t have customers? But I suspect they were far from “new” customers, even if a new company, because I guarantee something somewhere was replaced for every one of them; bankrupt businesses they replaced, old hardware, whatever. Arguing the opposite would certainly seem to be naive on face.
wasn't expecting to read that Microsoft is not getting new corporate customers but here we are, you learn something new every day :)
none of this is anecdotal, I make a living as contractor and in just past two years have worked on numerous moving-to-microsoft projects, Oracle to SQL Server, AWS to Azure, Sharepoint etc etc... I am not a fan of MSFT by any means but what you are writing makes absolutely no sense. You should read MSFT quarterly earnings reports and not read few anecdotal things people on HN write about MSFT. It is M7 for a reason and practically has no competition (which is why they are able to do shit like Windows 11 and Copilot and... people on HN might be bitching but it is just for entertainment purposes)
Anecdotes like “I’ve done blah blah over two years”? Correct, I ignore anecdotes just like that. You can argue whatever you like — you seem to be heavily financially motivated to do so while I neither own Microsoft stock nor earn my money by convincing people to use their products. As a result, feel free to continue your evangelism while I go ahead and extricate myself from your sphere of biases.
Have you used their products recently? I predict we’re at the beginning of a downward trajectory. I’m not saying they’re going bankrupt but there are better tech companies in which to put your money.
Maybe not the point you were making, but Windows 8 was lame, then 8.1 was an improvement, 10 was more improvement, and now 11 is further improvement. That's from a daily user. A lot of Windows criticism sounds like it comes from non-users or users who want to be in the hater in-group more than they want to invest in setting it up well.
The AI stuff is definitely terrible, but I turned it off a long time ago and never see it, it's another thing I don't understand the outrage about. The FUD about it getting reactivated hasn't come to pass for me.
Most people don't think Windows 11 is an improvement over 10.
There's a lot of people that actually started migrating to Mac / Linux when Windows 10 went EOL recently.
Windows 11 was clearly a regression after a very good Windows 10. Task bar from Win10 had been completely deleted and a garbage tablet replacement had been pushed in. It's already what, 3 or 4 years in Win11 an task bar still don't have a comparable functionality. It is also slower in performance, it takes visible seconds just to open a volume slider, which loaded almost instantly on Win10 and same hardware. There were multiple severe problems with AMD performance on release, fixed much later, again showing that hey took inferior code or even build from scratch (meaning Win10 had a superior code inside). Explorer has been degraded significantly, I usually use Total Commander and don't have to interact with it, but unfortunately Save/Open File menus are still Explorer ones. And there it has applied this new file "structure" of Today/LastWeek/LastMonth and so on, which overrides normal sorting rules for some folders like Downloads. finding files are now a damn quest. I had to change my downloads directory to a user created one in every program, just to avoid this crap.
And the list goes on, I just don't remember every single UI regression issue I've encountered right away. But Win11 is clearly bad. Not the awful bad, but annoying bad daily.
I agree with your points... From my POV, the pattern seems to be good/bad/good/bad, but what actually happens is a subtle lowering of our standards and expectations that we have towards what an OS has to do and how it does things. With every bad version, the next version seems to be less bad or even good, but what it does is lower the standard further. Stuff started to move to one drive, office is all cloud now, they are subtly chipping away the personal computing concept...