Concentration Camps? Are you really going to make that parallel, we're talking about less than 200 prisoners, who are well-fed, guarded by soldiers who must go out of their way not to offend their charges' religion. Americans in jail for minor drug possession are treated worse than Gitmo prisoners. As far as torture, you don't know anything about which you type. Ask the Vietnamese, Chinese, Iranians, Russians and Turks about torture, then waterboarding will seem like a 5 year old girl's birthday party. It's very easy to be sanctimonious from the comfort of your chair.
Make your argument, but don't venture into hyperbole fueled by Michael Moore delusions.
As far as terrorism being helped by copyright infringement, that IS a stretch. It's like saying terrorism is helped by Coca-Cola sales because some rogue mosque happens to have a Coke machine.
That waterboarding seems "like a 5 year old girl's birthday party" tells us that either a. there is no torture so bad as a children's party (as a parent, I can relate!), or b. that the torture dished out by the Vietnamese, Chinese, Iranians, Russians and Turks is truly horrific.
However, it is interesting that you bring up the torture used by a number of countries, because guess what? It was used extensively in China and Cambodia. Not to mention by the Pinocet regime in Chile, by the South African police under Apartheid, and even all the way back to Spanish Inquisition.
In fact, the underlying assumption you are using when you compare waterboarding to the torture used by other countries is the invalid premise that torture performed in America can never be as bad as the torture performed in other countries who have historically had poor human rights records. This is a falacious argument.
To remind you exactly what waterboarding is:
You bind an individual, then place a cloth over the subject's mouth and eyes. You strap them to an inclined bench. You then poor water over the cloth which restricts air flow. You then poor water for 20 to 40 seconds continuously on the cloth. This causes the subject to believe they are drowning (Fox News, not exactly a bastion of independent reporting, once did a demonstration and the subject gagged).
You then let the subject take two or three breaths and repeat. This process can be repeated for up to 20 to 30 minutes. That's 20 to 30 minutes of becoming close to drowning.
You say this is not significant torture? Either you are dissembling, or you are ignorant. Either way, you are wrong. It is torture pure and simple. People have actually drowned in U.S. custody while being water boarded, so you can't ever argue that it's not mortally dangerous.
None of what I'm saying is even remotely delusional. I took all of this information from well documented facts, one of which was a report from the U.S. Office of Legal Counsel.
Water boarding is a disgusting and heinous act. Those using it should be charged with the crime of torture. Anyone advocating it should be treated with contempt.
Torture: there is waterboarding and also some prisoners where sent to third party countries to be tortured there (which is an operation complex enough that there was some official involvement) and some others where tortured directly in their country of capture (at such a scale, and for finding so important information that I don't really believe these were only rogue CIA agents).
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Concentration Camps? Are you really going to make that parallel, we're talking about less than 200 prisoners, who are well-fed, guarded by soldiers who must go out of their way not to offend their charges' religion. Americans in jail for minor drug possession are treated worse than Gitmo prisoners. As far as torture, you don't know anything about which you type. Ask the Vietnamese, Chinese, Iranians, Russians and Turks about torture, then waterboarding will seem like a 5 year old girl's birthday party. It's very easy to be sanctimonious from the comfort of your chair.
Make your argument, but don't venture into hyperbole fueled by Michael Moore delusions.
As far as terrorism being helped by copyright infringement, that IS a stretch. It's like saying terrorism is helped by Coca-Cola sales because some rogue mosque happens to have a Coke machine.
The term "concentration camp" actually describes exactly what Guantanamo Bay is.
I'm linking to wikipedia because it nicely gathers all the dictionary entries alongside the genesis of term.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camps#Concentrat...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concentration_and_inte...
That waterboarding seems "like a 5 year old girl's birthday party" tells us that either a. there is no torture so bad as a children's party (as a parent, I can relate!), or b. that the torture dished out by the Vietnamese, Chinese, Iranians, Russians and Turks is truly horrific.
However, it is interesting that you bring up the torture used by a number of countries, because guess what? It was used extensively in China and Cambodia. Not to mention by the Pinocet regime in Chile, by the South African police under Apartheid, and even all the way back to Spanish Inquisition.
In fact, the underlying assumption you are using when you compare waterboarding to the torture used by other countries is the invalid premise that torture performed in America can never be as bad as the torture performed in other countries who have historically had poor human rights records. This is a falacious argument.
To remind you exactly what waterboarding is:
You bind an individual, then place a cloth over the subject's mouth and eyes. You strap them to an inclined bench. You then poor water over the cloth which restricts air flow. You then poor water for 20 to 40 seconds continuously on the cloth. This causes the subject to believe they are drowning (Fox News, not exactly a bastion of independent reporting, once did a demonstration and the subject gagged).
You then let the subject take two or three breaths and repeat. This process can be repeated for up to 20 to 30 minutes. That's 20 to 30 minutes of becoming close to drowning.
You say this is not significant torture? Either you are dissembling, or you are ignorant. Either way, you are wrong. It is torture pure and simple. People have actually drowned in U.S. custody while being water boarded, so you can't ever argue that it's not mortally dangerous.
None of what I'm saying is even remotely delusional. I took all of this information from well documented facts, one of which was a report from the U.S. Office of Legal Counsel.
Water boarding is a disgusting and heinous act. Those using it should be charged with the crime of torture. Anyone advocating it should be treated with contempt.
"concentration camps" where very well answered.
Torture: there is waterboarding and also some prisoners where sent to third party countries to be tortured there (which is an operation complex enough that there was some official involvement) and some others where tortured directly in their country of capture (at such a scale, and for finding so important information that I don't really believe these were only rogue CIA agents).