The abduction of cruise and Kidmans daughter at the end is one interesting reference to some sordid things. But I did not see the article reference the op-art painting above the daughters (helena) bed providing another secret reference to something sinister. I recall Kubrick being bothered by the heavy censorship and editing by the UK film board, I wonder if we will ever get to see those removed scenes, what, and why they were removed etc. Kubrick died within a week of the film release, perhaps he knew too much, perhaps not. Maybe prince Andrew did go to Pizza Express.
I recall Kubrick being bothered by the heavy censorship and editing by the UK film board, I wonder if we will ever get to see those removed scenes, what, and why they were removed etc.
I don't believe Kubrick had particular problems with the British Board of Film Censors.
The BBFC never censored A Clockwork Orange, for example. They passed it without cuts, though they had seen a pre-print of the first completed half of the movie as was the custom, and had been concerned that it might not get certification. The censor commended the final movie.
Kubrick personally pulled it from distribution in the UK, after they had passed it and it had a limited release.
The BBFC do not and did not edit films. They are not a government body. They did once call themselves censors (the words of the acronym changed in the 80s), but the point of the BBFC was that the film industry was censoring its own work proactively, and maintaining their own certifications, to avoid government doing it. Similar to what the MPA(A) did.
They still sometimes suggest edits that would keep a film within a particular certification.
In the case of Eyes Wide Shut, it wasn't the BBFC that made any decisions to edit and cut that film; Warner Bros themselves did, based on the US classification they were aiming for.
Kubrick died within a week of the film release, perhaps he knew too much, perhaps not.
Or perhaps, after a stressful filming, editing and production schedule, a 70 year old man had a heart attack in his sleep.
The edited scene with the cloaked obstruction during the orgy is the only known censor, but what we don't know is what was cut/removed as there are no comparisons and no comments possible from the Director/Writer. I guess we could ask Frederic Raphael but he is 93
There's tons of comments from people who worked on the movie, none of which support the thesis that there's a child rape scene that was cut out or that anything was cut at all.
Is there really this new trend as I am reading -- some new QAnon fantasy projection of the misunderstandings around the retraction of A Clockwork Orange onto Eyes Wide Shut to further some twist on the Pizzagate conspiracy?
He is suggesting that there is some link between Robert Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.
Ghislaine met Jeffrey Epstein the year Robert fell off the Lady Ghislaine. She did so because she was in NY schmoozing socialites because Sir Bob had bought a paper -- NY Post was it?
Robert Maxwell was a strange, multi-faceted bloke, a sort of chaotic-neutral crook and spy, and yet he really most likely just fell off his boat after having a heart attack, because he was a very large (by 90s standards) and very unhealthy old-looking man who didn't listen to advice about diet, exercise, health and risk, and was stressed out by being in unprecedented debt. He would not have committed suicide; not his style.
There's no big story to link the two, apart from the fact that Ghislaine wouldn't have been there at all mingling in the high-end social scene in early 90s New York if she weren't the daughter of a media baron who had just bought a paper.
If anyone did "whack" Robert Maxwell it had nothing to do with Epstein, who was at the beginning of his career as a blackmailer, grifter, influence broker and deviant. It's not even clear they met.
It would have had more to do with all the people Maxwell upset in his long, storied life as a potential triple-agent, spy, fraudster and bully.
Sorry but what does this have to do with Eyes Wide Shut and why it's definitely got to be the case that Kubrick had an issue with the British ratings agency? Hello? Anyone home?
Just wanted to respond to the idea that the intrigue, such as there is, around Robert Maxwell’s death is logically connected to the intrigue around Ghislaine.
The central disease of QAnon/BritAnon thinking is the belief in omniconspiracy, when it’s entirely normal for notable people to be connected by only a handful of degrees of separation, just like everyone else is.
Every now and then the omniconspiracy touches on something a bit unusual —- this, or a dead staffer, say —- and uses mere proximity to establish a connection that doesn’t exist, and then uses that connection to magnify and anchor the conspiracy.
And the sinister message above Helena’s bed is hidden in plain sight. It would fit the article very well. I guess the article author was not aware of this.
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The abduction of cruise and Kidmans daughter at the end is one interesting reference to some sordid things. But I did not see the article reference the op-art painting above the daughters (helena) bed providing another secret reference to something sinister. I recall Kubrick being bothered by the heavy censorship and editing by the UK film board, I wonder if we will ever get to see those removed scenes, what, and why they were removed etc. Kubrick died within a week of the film release, perhaps he knew too much, perhaps not. Maybe prince Andrew did go to Pizza Express.
I don't believe Kubrick had particular problems with the British Board of Film Censors.
The BBFC never censored A Clockwork Orange, for example. They passed it without cuts, though they had seen a pre-print of the first completed half of the movie as was the custom, and had been concerned that it might not get certification. The censor commended the final movie.
Kubrick personally pulled it from distribution in the UK, after they had passed it and it had a limited release.
https://www.bbfc.co.uk/education/case-studies/clockwork-oran...
The BBFC do not and did not edit films. They are not a government body. They did once call themselves censors (the words of the acronym changed in the 80s), but the point of the BBFC was that the film industry was censoring its own work proactively, and maintaining their own certifications, to avoid government doing it. Similar to what the MPA(A) did.
They still sometimes suggest edits that would keep a film within a particular certification.
In the case of Eyes Wide Shut, it wasn't the BBFC that made any decisions to edit and cut that film; Warner Bros themselves did, based on the US classification they were aiming for.
Or perhaps, after a stressful filming, editing and production schedule, a 70 year old man had a heart attack in his sleep.
If I am remembering properly the only thing warner bros. did to the movie was add some obstructing shadowy figures in the the orgy scene.
The edited scene with the cloaked obstruction during the orgy is the only known censor, but what we don't know is what was cut/removed as there are no comparisons and no comments possible from the Director/Writer. I guess we could ask Frederic Raphael but he is 93
There's tons of comments from people who worked on the movie, none of which support the thesis that there's a child rape scene that was cut out or that anything was cut at all.
Evidence supporting a thesis is not how any of this works, I think.
But there's not reason to think anything was cut
Is there really this new trend as I am reading -- some new QAnon fantasy projection of the misunderstandings around the retraction of A Clockwork Orange onto Eyes Wide Shut to further some twist on the Pizzagate conspiracy?
i think you are confusing the Prince Andrew Pizza Express scandal with something entirely tangential.
Perhaps Robert Maxwell fell overboard?
Are you just free-associating dead famous people now? Mike Lynch? Rod Hull? Kenny from South Park?
Who is his daughter?
Who cares? What does that have to do with anything?
He is suggesting that there is some link between Robert Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.
Ghislaine met Jeffrey Epstein the year Robert fell off the Lady Ghislaine. She did so because she was in NY schmoozing socialites because Sir Bob had bought a paper -- NY Post was it?
Robert Maxwell was a strange, multi-faceted bloke, a sort of chaotic-neutral crook and spy, and yet he really most likely just fell off his boat after having a heart attack, because he was a very large (by 90s standards) and very unhealthy old-looking man who didn't listen to advice about diet, exercise, health and risk, and was stressed out by being in unprecedented debt. He would not have committed suicide; not his style.
There's no big story to link the two, apart from the fact that Ghislaine wouldn't have been there at all mingling in the high-end social scene in early 90s New York if she weren't the daughter of a media baron who had just bought a paper.
If anyone did "whack" Robert Maxwell it had nothing to do with Epstein, who was at the beginning of his career as a blackmailer, grifter, influence broker and deviant. It's not even clear they met.
It would have had more to do with all the people Maxwell upset in his long, storied life as a potential triple-agent, spy, fraudster and bully.
Sorry but what does this have to do with Eyes Wide Shut and why it's definitely got to be the case that Kubrick had an issue with the British ratings agency? Hello? Anyone home?
I have no idea.
Just wanted to respond to the idea that the intrigue, such as there is, around Robert Maxwell’s death is logically connected to the intrigue around Ghislaine.
The central disease of QAnon/BritAnon thinking is the belief in omniconspiracy, when it’s entirely normal for notable people to be connected by only a handful of degrees of separation, just like everyone else is.
Every now and then the omniconspiracy touches on something a bit unusual —- this, or a dead staffer, say —- and uses mere proximity to establish a connection that doesn’t exist, and then uses that connection to magnify and anchor the conspiracy.
Please stop attempting to associate Qanon/Pizzagate/Conspiracy to this whole thing it's desperate and embarrassing.
I suppose Epstein hanged himself or Jocelyn Cadbury shot himself, we shall not truly know.
I don’t give a flying fuck either way and I am astonished anyone thinks Eyes Wide Shut is some truth-based message to the world.
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How ridiculous considering your obnoxiously dismissive post preceding that one.
And the sinister message above Helena’s bed is hidden in plain sight. It would fit the article very well. I guess the article author was not aware of this.
I believe Op-Art and other instance were embedded into eyes wide shut as a precautionary move to still get the message out in the event of censorship
If so he did that in 2001, whereas Kubrick died in 1999.
Epstein & Prince Andrew Years?