on "steak and strippers...." - well I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding - ALL input products (not just software based) is sold this way to large corporations. Everyone has an agenda.
Also - its not just big enterprisey things - rails is so common in the enterprise these days due to the "steak and strippers...." work done by companies like thoughtworks. There is always wheeling and dealing, even with grassroots things - things are never as white and as pure as they seem (well almost all things).
I don't see this ever changing, unless somehow all these types of corporations simultaneously cease to exist, and something else more merit based takes their place.
There was a story on HN several months ago about a guy on vacation in Istanbul having someone sell him a rug even though he never had any intention of getting one. It outlined a whole lot of non-bullying sales tactics that had nothing to do with the actual product, it was more about putting a person in an environment and state of mind where they felt like getting the product, even if they never really wanted it.
"... it was more about putting a person in an environment and state of mind where they felt like getting the product, even if they never really wanted it. ..."
Or by stimulating the neural cortex with sound to prime you to purchase. This is the idea behind pumping music into shops. Just another technique in the toolset to make you buy, "Why We Buy: the science of shopping" ~ http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1907307.htm
Exactly - salesmenship? (is that a word?).
So is zed proposing a world where there are no sales people?
I guess some people may point to things that "sell themselves" like apples consumer products where people camp out to get them.
Sure - but how did apple really get strong enough to survive this long? at least in this country it was steak and stripper sales to the education department to get them in all schools.
I wonder what is the other side of "steak and strippers, baby!"? Why is it that management doesn't trust us? He says a little about it: "You guys have got to stop lying...talking on IRC all day..." I wonder if it's all because of dopplegangers, or the techie dark side?
A part of it is because we're different. But a part of it must be bad as well. We're all only human, after all.
Well its pretty clear to those outside the industry as well as in it that this is totally a fashion industry - we behave like spoiled prima donnas at times. Can you blame them? Zed only makes this more obvious to them - they wouldn't look much deeper into what he says anyway.
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on "steak and strippers...." - well I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding - ALL input products (not just software based) is sold this way to large corporations. Everyone has an agenda.
Also - its not just big enterprisey things - rails is so common in the enterprise these days due to the "steak and strippers...." work done by companies like thoughtworks. There is always wheeling and dealing, even with grassroots things - things are never as white and as pure as they seem (well almost all things).
I don't see this ever changing, unless somehow all these types of corporations simultaneously cease to exist, and something else more merit based takes their place.
There was a story on HN several months ago about a guy on vacation in Istanbul having someone sell him a rug even though he never had any intention of getting one. It outlined a whole lot of non-bullying sales tactics that had nothing to do with the actual product, it was more about putting a person in an environment and state of mind where they felt like getting the product, even if they never really wanted it.
"... it was more about putting a person in an environment and state of mind where they felt like getting the product, even if they never really wanted it. ..."
Or by stimulating the neural cortex with sound to prime you to purchase. This is the idea behind pumping music into shops. Just another technique in the toolset to make you buy, "Why We Buy: the science of shopping" ~ http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1907307.htm
Exactly - salesmenship? (is that a word?). So is zed proposing a world where there are no sales people? I guess some people may point to things that "sell themselves" like apples consumer products where people camp out to get them.
Sure - but how did apple really get strong enough to survive this long? at least in this country it was steak and stripper sales to the education department to get them in all schools.
I wonder what is the other side of "steak and strippers, baby!"? Why is it that management doesn't trust us? He says a little about it: "You guys have got to stop lying...talking on IRC all day..." I wonder if it's all because of dopplegangers, or the techie dark side?
A part of it is because we're different. But a part of it must be bad as well. We're all only human, after all.
Well its pretty clear to those outside the industry as well as in it that this is totally a fashion industry - we behave like spoiled prima donnas at times. Can you blame them? Zed only makes this more obvious to them - they wouldn't look much deeper into what he says anyway.