I thought I stated it clearly above, but I’ll try again: my argument is that it is morally wrong to promise someone that they can work remotely, have them accept and then base their life around that promise, and then later unilaterally rescind that promise without compensation or recourse. It’s morally wrong because it causes undue financial and emotional hardship for that employee.
Even if I grant that your counterpoint isn’t whataboutism, it’s still nonsensical, because anyone who prefers to work from an office was already welcome to do so, at least at Amazon. It’s not at all necessary for full RTO to be enacted for those people to work in their preferred environment.
You’re making a common mistake many people make when talking about RTO.
If a person’s preference is to work with other people who in an office then full RTO must be enacted. Simply going into an office while others work remotely is not “their preferred environment.”
I would also bet that these people were not promised that they can work remotely for longer than remote work fit the needs of the business. Otherwise remote forever would be written into their agreements.
Sure you can argue that a recruiter or hiring manager over-promising and not putting it in writing is morally wrong, but at the end of the day, caveat emptor.
All of these employees knew they could be called back to the office and either a) pretended it wasn’t true or b) knew it was true and thought they’d have enough leverage to stay remote.
And the market has obviously changed since the agreement was made. Keeping the job is the compensation and recourse. If you think that you can find a remote job that pays as much as your now in-office job, go get it.
[citation needed] for pretty much every single sentence of this comment. I think I’m done here; it’s clear you’re not actually interested in engaging in this conversation in good faith. Have a good one.
Lol [citation easy to find] for everything I said.
Do you really think the current job market is more favorable to tech employees than it was during the peak of COVID/ZIRP?
Do you really think Amazon is breaking contracts to get people to RTO? I’m sure it would be mentioned in some of these articles if it was the case.
Do you really not understand that if somebody does something risky (assumes they will be remote forever despite no guarantee of that being true) and bases their life around it that they may one day pay a price for taking those risks? And it seems like in this situation, the company is the bad guy in your opinion?
I’m not sure how any of this is difficult to understand.
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I thought I stated it clearly above, but I’ll try again: my argument is that it is morally wrong to promise someone that they can work remotely, have them accept and then base their life around that promise, and then later unilaterally rescind that promise without compensation or recourse. It’s morally wrong because it causes undue financial and emotional hardship for that employee.
Even if I grant that your counterpoint isn’t whataboutism, it’s still nonsensical, because anyone who prefers to work from an office was already welcome to do so, at least at Amazon. It’s not at all necessary for full RTO to be enacted for those people to work in their preferred environment.
You’re making a common mistake many people make when talking about RTO.
If a person’s preference is to work with other people who in an office then full RTO must be enacted. Simply going into an office while others work remotely is not “their preferred environment.”
I would also bet that these people were not promised that they can work remotely for longer than remote work fit the needs of the business. Otherwise remote forever would be written into their agreements.
Sure you can argue that a recruiter or hiring manager over-promising and not putting it in writing is morally wrong, but at the end of the day, caveat emptor.
All of these employees knew they could be called back to the office and either a) pretended it wasn’t true or b) knew it was true and thought they’d have enough leverage to stay remote.
And the market has obviously changed since the agreement was made. Keeping the job is the compensation and recourse. If you think that you can find a remote job that pays as much as your now in-office job, go get it.
[citation needed] for pretty much every single sentence of this comment. I think I’m done here; it’s clear you’re not actually interested in engaging in this conversation in good faith. Have a good one.
Lol [citation easy to find] for everything I said.
Do you really think the current job market is more favorable to tech employees than it was during the peak of COVID/ZIRP?
Do you really think Amazon is breaking contracts to get people to RTO? I’m sure it would be mentioned in some of these articles if it was the case.
Do you really not understand that if somebody does something risky (assumes they will be remote forever despite no guarantee of that being true) and bases their life around it that they may one day pay a price for taking those risks? And it seems like in this situation, the company is the bad guy in your opinion?
I’m not sure how any of this is difficult to understand.
Have a good day!