Eh if you looked around silicon valley 5/10/15 years ago, Apple had basically won among the programmers and founders there. So they wouldn't really need astroturfers here.
I remember it differently. There was a sudden onslaught of bewilderingly techie-appealing novelties out of Cupertino in the 2006-2008 time window: unibody notebooks, iOS/iPhone, the MacBook Air, Intel CPUs in their computers (of great interest back then to whoever compiles software), and the macOS X version 10.5 "Leopard" that introduced (or surfaced) built-in common Unix command-line tools and unixy shell. Back then, in the overall hardware & OS landscape of the day, on here — all that stuff happening nearly-at-once / ongoingly was marketing itself all by itself.
Absolutely, they were just making far and away the best laptops for web dev at the time. And that yielded a lot of really useful, really polished software for web devs, creating a sort of virtuous cycle. I don’t think one needs to look much further than that for some conspiracy of HN astroturfers, a lot of people just find it the best. Lots of companies spend a ton on marketing, maybe they don’t do it as well as Apple, but geeks are going to shift away if it sucks.
And Apple has made a lot of missteps since then, so maybe their dominance will waver. I’ve been looking at going pure NixOS, personally, been hearing decent reviews of Frameworks. Still don’t think the complete package is quite enough to unseat Mac laptop ssh’d to linux workstation for me, but it’s getting closer.
And I’m sure they’re not killing themselves to do a great job for you. The people in SV I’m talking about certainly weren’t working for you. Many of them were founders of companies you’ve heard of.
Those people in SV seeded the HN community, that was my point about astroturfers not being needed to explain the grassroots support here. Maybe Apple employs them, who knows, but you’d see strong support here regardless.
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But... you can't imply that Apple has astroturfers on HN.
lmao, I think HN is in-on-it. Or maybe dang is an Apple believer.
Eh if you looked around silicon valley 5/10/15 years ago, Apple had basically won among the programmers and founders there. So they wouldn't really need astroturfers here.
No no no
You don't get to just say 'you wouldn't need them'.
This is wishful thinking. 'Apple won' because of the marketing.
I remember it differently. There was a sudden onslaught of bewilderingly techie-appealing novelties out of Cupertino in the 2006-2008 time window: unibody notebooks, iOS/iPhone, the MacBook Air, Intel CPUs in their computers (of great interest back then to whoever compiles software), and the macOS X version 10.5 "Leopard" that introduced (or surfaced) built-in common Unix command-line tools and unixy shell. Back then, in the overall hardware & OS landscape of the day, on here — all that stuff happening nearly-at-once / ongoingly was marketing itself all by itself.
Absolutely, they were just making far and away the best laptops for web dev at the time. And that yielded a lot of really useful, really polished software for web devs, creating a sort of virtuous cycle. I don’t think one needs to look much further than that for some conspiracy of HN astroturfers, a lot of people just find it the best. Lots of companies spend a ton on marketing, maybe they don’t do it as well as Apple, but geeks are going to shift away if it sucks.
And Apple has made a lot of missteps since then, so maybe their dominance will waver. I’ve been looking at going pure NixOS, personally, been hearing decent reviews of Frameworks. Still don’t think the complete package is quite enough to unseat Mac laptop ssh’d to linux workstation for me, but it’s getting closer.
lol
As an FYI, I have $150 laptops I give my contractors for web dev.
And I’m sure they’re not killing themselves to do a great job for you. The people in SV I’m talking about certainly weren’t working for you. Many of them were founders of companies you’ve heard of.
Those people in SV seeded the HN community, that was my point about astroturfers not being needed to explain the grassroots support here. Maybe Apple employs them, who knows, but you’d see strong support here regardless.
Some people can't be helped.
The best company at marketing of all time, doesnt use astroturfing?
lol