What does this system give you over regular mini-splits? The outdoor unit on the Quilt only does two rooms. Best I can tell, then, for our small 1200 sq/ft house, we'd need a minimum of two outdoor units, probably three. And our house is a shoebox, not the 4000 sq/ft monstrosities that are common in the area. Or for $5000 from Home Depot, I can get a single outdoor unit that will drive four indoor units.
On top of the fact that anyone walking into that room will immediately think "oh, you got a mini-split!" because there's still a box hanging on the wall. Again, what am I buying here?
And at $6500/room, great googly moogly! This is either DOA or I'm missing a fundamental piece of the value.
In my old, small, place I went ducted because we didn't have room for splits. Cost AU$10,000 (US$6,600) for the whole house. Moved to a new larger place, got split systems for the whole house. Cost AU$10,000 (US$6,600).
If I had to pay US$6500 per room I'd be bankrupt. DOA, but they'll probably con some credulous investors on the way.
I own a smaller unit for a portion of my home that's not connected to the main HVAC. It isn't huge. It also isn't ugly.
I don't want this. And that's because the goal of these people are to get acquired by Google / Amazon to fit into their crappy "smart home" line of products. I really don't understand how the consumer keeps getting tricked by a bit of marketing into buying products that are sold on design first and performance later. This product, functionally isn't any better than anything on the market yet comes with included obsolescence built in. For reference one of my family members still uses a mini-split system in their cabin that's over 25 years old. This thing is going to be lucky to make it 10 years based on all the additional dependencies it requires straight out of the box.
I hope consumers stop buying these types of products.
I also own a heat pump for the main house that's part of a duel fuel system (H/P electric & natural gas). I spent less than $200 in natural gas this year based on our mild winter. That system is Carrier Infinity [1].
The smallest GE (which is directly comparable, with better performance, to the Quilt specs which should tell you something) is:
* 12 7/8" (H)
* 39 3/4" (W)
* 8 3/4" (D)
The Quilt:
* 7 7/8" (H)
* 38" (W)
* 8 1/4" (D)
So, while - yes, the Quilt is slightly smaller let's check out other specs...
So... You get a smaller unit. With less output. And while the outdoor unit can do double, Quilt doesn't indicate you get more with just one unit. Also, no person in the midwest should buy this until they produce technical specs that matter. I run my heat pump and it needs to be able to heat at -20F. The quilt looks significantly weaker / hiding something.
As an aside on the GE - they claim: "100% rated heating capacity at 5ºF and comfortably warm air down to -31ºF". Quilt?
If I really cared about performance of an HVAC solution I’d hate it (Quilt). Again, no thanks. Another product where the PMs spent more time working out look and feel than actual performance (or they'd have published what the unit can do).
they reduced the volume by nearly half -- that's a big difference. I won't argue on performance, but again for folks who care about aesthetics this is a more palatable solution.
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What does this system give you over regular mini-splits? The outdoor unit on the Quilt only does two rooms. Best I can tell, then, for our small 1200 sq/ft house, we'd need a minimum of two outdoor units, probably three. And our house is a shoebox, not the 4000 sq/ft monstrosities that are common in the area. Or for $5000 from Home Depot, I can get a single outdoor unit that will drive four indoor units.
On top of the fact that anyone walking into that room will immediately think "oh, you got a mini-split!" because there's still a box hanging on the wall. Again, what am I buying here?
And at $6500/room, great googly moogly! This is either DOA or I'm missing a fundamental piece of the value.
In my old, small, place I went ducted because we didn't have room for splits. Cost AU$10,000 (US$6,600) for the whole house. Moved to a new larger place, got split systems for the whole house. Cost AU$10,000 (US$6,600).
If I had to pay US$6500 per room I'd be bankrupt. DOA, but they'll probably con some credulous investors on the way.
indeed, it’s the Aesthetics.
Regular mini split heads are huge. They are really visible. It’s a really big turn off to many buyers.
I own a smaller unit for a portion of my home that's not connected to the main HVAC. It isn't huge. It also isn't ugly.
I don't want this. And that's because the goal of these people are to get acquired by Google / Amazon to fit into their crappy "smart home" line of products. I really don't understand how the consumer keeps getting tricked by a bit of marketing into buying products that are sold on design first and performance later. This product, functionally isn't any better than anything on the market yet comes with included obsolescence built in. For reference one of my family members still uses a mini-split system in their cabin that's over 25 years old. This thing is going to be lucky to make it 10 years based on all the additional dependencies it requires straight out of the box.
I hope consumers stop buying these types of products.
What brand?
GE Endure [0].
I also own a heat pump for the main house that's part of a duel fuel system (H/P electric & natural gas). I spent less than $200 in natural gas this year based on our mild winter. That system is Carrier Infinity [1].
[0] https://www.geappliances.com/ductless/ [1] https://www.carrier.com/residential/en/us/products/heat-pump...
That head looks quite a big larger and more obtrusive. If I really cared about interior aesthetics i’d hate it
Maybe you should look at the specs?
The smallest GE (which is directly comparable, with better performance, to the Quilt specs which should tell you something) is: * 12 7/8" (H) * 39 3/4" (W) * 8 3/4" (D)
The Quilt: * 7 7/8" (H) * 38" (W) * 8 1/4" (D)
So, while - yes, the Quilt is slightly smaller let's check out other specs...
GE [0]: * Rated Cooling BTU: 9,000 * Cooling BTU Range: 3,100 - 12,000 * SEER/EER: 30/16 * Heating BTU Range: 3,100 - 20,000 * Rated Heating BTU 47F: 10,000 * COP: 3.7 * Heating Capacity 5F BTU: 12,000 * Heating Capacity -4F BTU: 10,500 * Heating Capacity -15F BTU: 9,000 * Heating Capacity -22F BTU: 7,400 * Operating Range: 115F to -31F
Quilt: * Rated Cooling BTU: 8,000 * Cooling BTU Range: ??? - Quilt doesn't say. * SEER/HSPF2/CEE (not sure why they don't follow more common measurements): 25/11/2 * Heating BTU Range: ??? - Quilt doesn't say. * Rated Heating BTU 47F: 9,000 * ...everything else missing from Quilt "Tech Specs"...
So... You get a smaller unit. With less output. And while the outdoor unit can do double, Quilt doesn't indicate you get more with just one unit. Also, no person in the midwest should buy this until they produce technical specs that matter. I run my heat pump and it needs to be able to heat at -20F. The quilt looks significantly weaker / hiding something.
As an aside on the GE - they claim: "100% rated heating capacity at 5ºF and comfortably warm air down to -31ºF". Quilt?
If I really cared about performance of an HVAC solution I’d hate it (Quilt). Again, no thanks. Another product where the PMs spent more time working out look and feel than actual performance (or they'd have published what the unit can do).
[0] https://www.geappliances.com/content/ductless/downloads/Endu... [1] https://www.quilt.com/tech-specs
they reduced the volume by nearly half -- that's a big difference. I won't argue on performance, but again for folks who care about aesthetics this is a more palatable solution.