What are the goal posts? You suggested capitalism is responsible for messing up the planet. So thus I ask if communist countries also aren’t responsible, or if that’s somehow distinctly capitalist countries only who pollute?
Seems like a logical and reasonable question to me.
Where did I say Communist countries don't have pollution?
(former) Communist countries like the one I was born in are too poor to generate the amount of excessive consumerism and environment damage rich countries do.
For example there was no such thing as plastic packaging. Everything was packaged in paper, glass or steel way before rich countries made that a hipster thing for greenwashing.
All goods, even low quality ones that would be unreliable, from cars to clothing and electronics, were kept going forever through endless repairs instead of being landfilled the moment a capacitor leaked and new ones bought on a yearly basis because Company X just dropped the new Shiny and the warranty expired on the previous widget, decades before the rapirability trend hit the rich countries.
Is China communist? They certainly produce a lot of pollution and plastic. Videos I’ve seen out of North Korea lately also show people using plastic everything.
But let’s put that aside, and assume the whole world was communist and repaired things (ignoring that repair also happened under capitalism). Is there no pollution? Industry? Seems like even if the pollution is less, we still would just end up in the same place eventually.
China is as communist only because it calls itself so, but doesn't follow any of Karl Marx's communist rules anymore since 1978 or so. It's basically a capitalist dictatorship at this point.
North Korea also calls itself the Democratic people's republic of Korea, you think it's democratic?
And China pollutes a lot because it's the West's sweatshop so rich countries are outsourcing there pollution there by consuming all those cheaply goods made in China at the profit of the western corporations.
>Seems like even if the pollution is less, we still would just end up in the same place eventually.
How so? Capitalism demands virtually infinite growth long term along with visible growth on a yearly or quarterly basis.
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What are the goal posts? You suggested capitalism is responsible for messing up the planet. So thus I ask if communist countries also aren’t responsible, or if that’s somehow distinctly capitalist countries only who pollute?
Seems like a logical and reasonable question to me.
Where did I say Communist countries don't have pollution?
(former) Communist countries like the one I was born in are too poor to generate the amount of excessive consumerism and environment damage rich countries do.
For example there was no such thing as plastic packaging. Everything was packaged in paper, glass or steel way before rich countries made that a hipster thing for greenwashing.
All goods, even low quality ones that would be unreliable, from cars to clothing and electronics, were kept going forever through endless repairs instead of being landfilled the moment a capacitor leaked and new ones bought on a yearly basis because Company X just dropped the new Shiny and the warranty expired on the previous widget, decades before the rapirability trend hit the rich countries.
Is China communist? They certainly produce a lot of pollution and plastic. Videos I’ve seen out of North Korea lately also show people using plastic everything.
But let’s put that aside, and assume the whole world was communist and repaired things (ignoring that repair also happened under capitalism). Is there no pollution? Industry? Seems like even if the pollution is less, we still would just end up in the same place eventually.
China is as communist only because it calls itself so, but doesn't follow any of Karl Marx's communist rules anymore since 1978 or so. It's basically a capitalist dictatorship at this point.
North Korea also calls itself the Democratic people's republic of Korea, you think it's democratic?
And China pollutes a lot because it's the West's sweatshop so rich countries are outsourcing there pollution there by consuming all those cheaply goods made in China at the profit of the western corporations.
>Seems like even if the pollution is less, we still would just end up in the same place eventually.
How so? Capitalism demands virtually infinite growth long term along with visible growth on a yearly or quarterly basis.