If the accelerator getting stuck on a car isn't "technically" a problem then what is? It's a ~3000kg/7000lbs vehicle with 14000Nm/10000lbft of torque and 850HP motor.
Whatever your driving style, the expectation is that the car won't accelerate uncontrolled. You may be able to press the brake but then again those extra few fractions of second could make the difference between life and death for someone.
"Technically not a problem" is the peak of apologism in such a dangerous situation.
The thing is, as I understand it is not like with the Toyota case that the acceleration is unexpected. In the Toyota case it was unexpected because of a software glitch. Actually, it was never really proven that it was an actual software glitch. Michael Barr just has proven that the complete software was a mess without really looking into that detail.
Here with the Tesla it is, that when you currently pressing the pedal the top can come off. Then when you don't want to press the pedal anymore, it gets stuck. So that is the moment when your reflex normally is to press the other pedal.
when you currently pressing the pedal the top can come off. Then when you don't want to press the pedal anymore, it gets stuck
That is still very dangerous. Tesla stopped deliveries because it's a big deal.
In some cases you could have literally an arm's length to stop before you kill someone (like just as you back out of a driveway) and the car accelerating even half a second more than you wanted is too much.
I cannot stress enough, this car has high power and extreme torque. It goes from 0-60mph in 2.6s. Even under normal acceleration it will eat quite a bit of extra distance while you react to press the brake. One pedal driving would have braked the moment you took your foot off the accelerator. Normal driving would have at least stopped accelerating. The reason a lot of Tesla drivers were punching through walls and blaming it on the car was because of the stronger than expected acceleration. If that can catch people by surprise, imagine unintended strong acceleration.
You are needlessly finding excuses for something very dangerous.
Braking is fundamental to driving, how is it dangerous? If the gas pedal was stuck to the floor and I was on the highway my first instinct would be to stomp on it a few times to get try and get it dislodged. If that failed, I’d put it in neutral, brake, and pull over somewhere out of the way.
braking will succeed if you're on a straight aways most of the time. But on slick roads, curves, etc it can be quite dangerous.
Model S & Model X 2021+
Since there is no gear stalk on the 2021+ Model S and Model S, you’ll need to tap the car icon to go to Controls, then tap and hold the Neutral button. This will engage your car into Neutral.
The fact that there is a mitigating control does not eliminate the problem, it merely dissipates temporarily (since this is a manual control, once the manual intervention ceases, the problem will re-emerge).
The default state is never "pedal to the metal". If something should fail - it should "fail-stop", and not "fail-to-full-throttle".
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They have a brake pedal too, like every car. The brake pedal should override the acceleration like in any ICE car.
So, technically I don't see any problem.
If the accelerator getting stuck on a car isn't "technically" a problem then what is? It's a ~3000kg/7000lbs vehicle with 14000Nm/10000lbft of torque and 850HP motor.
Whatever your driving style, the expectation is that the car won't accelerate uncontrolled. You may be able to press the brake but then again those extra few fractions of second could make the difference between life and death for someone.
"Technically not a problem" is the peak of apologism in such a dangerous situation.
The thing is, as I understand it is not like with the Toyota case that the acceleration is unexpected. In the Toyota case it was unexpected because of a software glitch. Actually, it was never really proven that it was an actual software glitch. Michael Barr just has proven that the complete software was a mess without really looking into that detail.
Here with the Tesla it is, that when you currently pressing the pedal the top can come off. Then when you don't want to press the pedal anymore, it gets stuck. So that is the moment when your reflex normally is to press the other pedal.
That is still very dangerous. Tesla stopped deliveries because it's a big deal.
In some cases you could have literally an arm's length to stop before you kill someone (like just as you back out of a driveway) and the car accelerating even half a second more than you wanted is too much.
I cannot stress enough, this car has high power and extreme torque. It goes from 0-60mph in 2.6s. Even under normal acceleration it will eat quite a bit of extra distance while you react to press the brake. One pedal driving would have braked the moment you took your foot off the accelerator. Normal driving would have at least stopped accelerating. The reason a lot of Tesla drivers were punching through walls and blaming it on the car was because of the stronger than expected acceleration. If that can catch people by surprise, imagine unintended strong acceleration.
You are needlessly finding excuses for something very dangerous.
Being forced to brake while driving can also be very dangerous. How is this not a problem? And I think you're misusing the word "technically" here.
Braking is fundamental to driving, how is it dangerous? If the gas pedal was stuck to the floor and I was on the highway my first instinct would be to stomp on it a few times to get try and get it dislodged. If that failed, I’d put it in neutral, brake, and pull over somewhere out of the way.
You're on the highway going 80 with traffic and all of a sudden you have to stop. In the middle of the highway! How is that not dangerous?
Discussion was gas vs EV braking, op was guessing it's impossible to kill an EV with stuck accelerator...
Of course stuck accelerator is dangerous in any situation in any car...
braking will succeed if you're on a straight aways most of the time. But on slick roads, curves, etc it can be quite dangerous.
Model S & Model X 2021+
Since there is no gear stalk on the 2021+ Model S and Model S, you’ll need to tap the car icon to go to Controls, then tap and hold the Neutral button. This will engage your car into Neutral.
Well the problem _is_ there, so please do see it.
The fact that there is a mitigating control does not eliminate the problem, it merely dissipates temporarily (since this is a manual control, once the manual intervention ceases, the problem will re-emerge).
The default state is never "pedal to the metal". If something should fail - it should "fail-stop", and not "fail-to-full-throttle".