That future wasn't hard earned, it was handwaved into being (on the back of a world war against genetically engineered mutants and colonization by alien benefactors at that.) The real world is fundamentally cruel. Therein lies the challenge.
Loveable goofs and misfits struggling against the odds to live up to their ideals are relatable, and that future can actually be aspired to. A future which requires humans to be paragons of virtue that have evolved beyond greed, vice and want, in a universe of infinite free energy and abundance, is unattainable. Neither human nature nor the laws of physics can bend that far.
Also the new Star Trek series are incredibly popular, even among many fans of old Trek, many of whom seem to be able to reconcile it with the franchise's espoused values. I guess it doesn't work for you, but you seem to be in a minority among the fanbase in that regard.
I don't know where you get your claims from, but if you look at user ratings on imdb [1] then SNW is the only new show to even come close to the old ones. Interestingly enough, it also comes closest to the original values and themes. So I guess it is actually you who seems to be in a minority.
You got it wrong. The list is only compiled by a user in the sense that he selected the shows included. The order displayed is generated automatically by imdb ratings, which the user had zero influence on. And for Rotten Tomatoes you would get pretty much exactly the same order if you actually looked at audience ratings. Except DS9, which ranks higher on RT. So I could see some argument that RT audiences are slightly younger. But I'm pretty confident no actual Trekkie would ever say that Prodigy is better than DS9 like your random "critic" listing would imply.
I get how this is hard to understand for today's young people, who did not grow up with the old shows. We had a whole generation growing up with a future worth working towards and aspiring to. I feel really sorry you didn't get something similar.
You're delusional. Anything is "incredibly popular" nowadays, like all the Marvel movies and nostalgia reboots. I don't know how any old Trek fan can stomach the new Treks. But I guess you can since you're defending them and know the lore. ;p
But that's weird because they're a completely different genre. They're closer to Star Wars (the one dumb people liked, cuz that's where the $$$ is) than Star Trek.
But that's weird because they're a completely different genre. They're closer to Star Wars (the one dumb people liked, cuz that's where the $$$ is) than Star Trek.
The Kelvin timeline films have this problem, especially the first two; the third, while definitely not the classic trek series feel, felt more like a Trek movie.
The newer series (excl. prodigy, which I simply haven’t watched) have variable quality (SNW, IMO, is the strongest Trek series since DS9 and the most classic Trek feel since TNG, Discovery was up and down but overall no worse than Enterprise, Picard was good, but more like 3 long Trek movies than classic series Trek), but I wouldn't describe any of them feeling more like Star Wars.
Which nu trek? I mean Discovery is to me nearly unwatchable and I activly dislike almost all of the characters. Strange New Worlds on the other hand feels like classic trek with a better budget it is well cast and well written. Picard... I liked parts of it, it got better the farther along it went. Season one was actively bad, bad with good moments though. Season two was better Q stole every moment he was on screen. Season three legitimately was great star trek. Lower decks... if it weren't considered cannon it would be better, as is it a fun adult cartoon comedy. Prodigy is a kids show that I put on for my small children but could not be bothered to actually fallow. The Nu trek movies are brainless popcorn flicks written by people that wish they were writing starwars/fast&the furious crossover fanfiction instead.
Give strange new worlds a shot you won't regret it.
Agreed. TOS, Voyager, and DS9 were great (at their best; obviously some awful episodes/seasons mixed in there). The films after Khan were missable. Never got on with the whiny characters in TNG. Discovery is endless noise. Picard looked promising, but ultimately disappointed as (and here we disagree) I wish Q had never been created; can't stand him.
Nothing comparable to the older stuff until SNW - and Anson Mount in particular is very good. Oh, and The Orville is better ST than much recent ST ever was.
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That future wasn't hard earned, it was handwaved into being (on the back of a world war against genetically engineered mutants and colonization by alien benefactors at that.) The real world is fundamentally cruel. Therein lies the challenge.
Loveable goofs and misfits struggling against the odds to live up to their ideals are relatable, and that future can actually be aspired to. A future which requires humans to be paragons of virtue that have evolved beyond greed, vice and want, in a universe of infinite free energy and abundance, is unattainable. Neither human nature nor the laws of physics can bend that far.
Also the new Star Trek series are incredibly popular, even among many fans of old Trek, many of whom seem to be able to reconcile it with the franchise's espoused values. I guess it doesn't work for you, but you seem to be in a minority among the fanbase in that regard.
I don't know where you get your claims from, but if you look at user ratings on imdb [1] then SNW is the only new show to even come close to the old ones. Interestingly enough, it also comes closest to the original values and themes. So I guess it is actually you who seems to be in a minority.
[1] https://www.imdb.com/list/ls090972183/?sort=user_rating,desc...
Lists by random people on IMDB are not an accurate representation of anything more that that their personal opinion.
But if that's the game you want to play, here are rankings by Rotten Tomatoes[0] that say otherwise.
[0]https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/star-trek-tv-by-t...
You got it wrong. The list is only compiled by a user in the sense that he selected the shows included. The order displayed is generated automatically by imdb ratings, which the user had zero influence on. And for Rotten Tomatoes you would get pretty much exactly the same order if you actually looked at audience ratings. Except DS9, which ranks higher on RT. So I could see some argument that RT audiences are slightly younger. But I'm pretty confident no actual Trekkie would ever say that Prodigy is better than DS9 like your random "critic" listing would imply.
I get how this is hard to understand for today's young people, who did not grow up with the old shows. We had a whole generation growing up with a future worth working towards and aspiring to. I feel really sorry you didn't get something similar.
You're delusional. Anything is "incredibly popular" nowadays, like all the Marvel movies and nostalgia reboots. I don't know how any old Trek fan can stomach the new Treks. But I guess you can since you're defending them and know the lore. ;p
But that's weird because they're a completely different genre. They're closer to Star Wars (the one dumb people liked, cuz that's where the $$$ is) than Star Trek.
The Kelvin timeline films have this problem, especially the first two; the third, while definitely not the classic trek series feel, felt more like a Trek movie.
The newer series (excl. prodigy, which I simply haven’t watched) have variable quality (SNW, IMO, is the strongest Trek series since DS9 and the most classic Trek feel since TNG, Discovery was up and down but overall no worse than Enterprise, Picard was good, but more like 3 long Trek movies than classic series Trek), but I wouldn't describe any of them feeling more like Star Wars.
Which nu trek? I mean Discovery is to me nearly unwatchable and I activly dislike almost all of the characters. Strange New Worlds on the other hand feels like classic trek with a better budget it is well cast and well written. Picard... I liked parts of it, it got better the farther along it went. Season one was actively bad, bad with good moments though. Season two was better Q stole every moment he was on screen. Season three legitimately was great star trek. Lower decks... if it weren't considered cannon it would be better, as is it a fun adult cartoon comedy. Prodigy is a kids show that I put on for my small children but could not be bothered to actually fallow. The Nu trek movies are brainless popcorn flicks written by people that wish they were writing starwars/fast&the furious crossover fanfiction instead.
Give strange new worlds a shot you won't regret it.
Agreed. TOS, Voyager, and DS9 were great (at their best; obviously some awful episodes/seasons mixed in there). The films after Khan were missable. Never got on with the whiny characters in TNG. Discovery is endless noise. Picard looked promising, but ultimately disappointed as (and here we disagree) I wish Q had never been created; can't stand him.
Nothing comparable to the older stuff until SNW - and Anson Mount in particular is very good. Oh, and The Orville is better ST than much recent ST ever was.