Adult jokes are fine with adults. I don't get why do you want some sterile "professionalism". We are humans, at work or at home. Should we put wigs on to look even more professional?
And jokes about some gender stereotype are not necessarily sexist.
I, for one, welcome the world where nobody complains about jokes.
It scary to think that we are coming closer and closer to Orvelian "thought crime" :(
> It scary to think that we are coming closer and closer to Orvelian "thought crime" :(
Oh for fuck's sake, it's not thought when words are uttered out loud. It's also not crime when free people freely protested the free speech of a free individual who has not been punished by any government.
Godwin's Law should be updated to include Orwell's fictions because nobody seems to have a sense of perspective about them.
> I, for one, welcome the world where nobody complains about jokes.
And I would welcome a world where everyone thinks for two seconds about what it's like to be a constant target of said jokes, uses their basic human empathy to listen to said complaints, and then reasons about it for a while instead of defensively dismissing the complaints with a privileged wave of the hand.
Nope, this is not about thought crime. I could have the filthiest, dirtiest thoughts - nobody will complain about that. Problem starts, when I give words to those thoughts.
For example, imagine a fat person (or a short person, or a ugly person, bald person etc) - is it okay to make fun of his/her fatness, shortness etc, all day long? how would that person feel?
This has nothing to do with "professionalism". It is about just being as much nice to fellow humans as possible.
And according to the article, this Christensen guy is supposed to be "motivational speaker" - what kind of motivation, I can't understand.
The worst thing out of this episode is this - there are lots of nice men in the IT industry, who genuinely want more women in the industry. They'd like to help, and do everything they can to make IT more appealing to women - then routinely, a couple of times a month, these incidents occur - and it gives the entire IT industry a bad name, undoing all the good work done by others.
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Adult jokes are fine with adults. I don't get why do you want some sterile "professionalism". We are humans, at work or at home. Should we put wigs on to look even more professional? And jokes about some gender stereotype are not necessarily sexist. I, for one, welcome the world where nobody complains about jokes. It scary to think that we are coming closer and closer to Orvelian "thought crime" :(
> It scary to think that we are coming closer and closer to Orvelian "thought crime" :(
Oh for fuck's sake, it's not thought when words are uttered out loud. It's also not crime when free people freely protested the free speech of a free individual who has not been punished by any government.
Godwin's Law should be updated to include Orwell's fictions because nobody seems to have a sense of perspective about them.
> I, for one, welcome the world where nobody complains about jokes.
And I would welcome a world where everyone thinks for two seconds about what it's like to be a constant target of said jokes, uses their basic human empathy to listen to said complaints, and then reasons about it for a while instead of defensively dismissing the complaints with a privileged wave of the hand.
Thank you, seriously. The slippery slope argument is just so infuriating when really all that's necessary is a little human decency.
My rage trigger is:
1) person A, using free speech, espouses some (typically ill-conceived) idea
2) person B, using free speech, criticizes said idea
3) person A compares person B to Adolf Mao Orwell scuffing their jackboots on free speech.
Nope, this is not about thought crime. I could have the filthiest, dirtiest thoughts - nobody will complain about that. Problem starts, when I give words to those thoughts.
For example, imagine a fat person (or a short person, or a ugly person, bald person etc) - is it okay to make fun of his/her fatness, shortness etc, all day long? how would that person feel?
This has nothing to do with "professionalism". It is about just being as much nice to fellow humans as possible.
And according to the article, this Christensen guy is supposed to be "motivational speaker" - what kind of motivation, I can't understand.
The worst thing out of this episode is this - there are lots of nice men in the IT industry, who genuinely want more women in the industry. They'd like to help, and do everything they can to make IT more appealing to women - then routinely, a couple of times a month, these incidents occur - and it gives the entire IT industry a bad name, undoing all the good work done by others.