Accounts on twitter claiming to have been on the airplane recounted that the aircraft went off the runway first, and that the gear failure, if there was one, happened after the plane left the runway.
"737 Max suffers landing gear failure" is a sexy headline but it may be prudent to wait for a bit more information before jumping to too many conclusions - just because Boeing is fresh in everyone's minds. Wild speculation is inevitable under present circumstances but it doesn't necessarily need to happen here.
Not that Twitter is a great source of reliable information, but, well, nowhere else is either when it comes to something that happened like 2 hours ago.
Yeah VASAviation posted a video with ATC audio and the runway/taxiway layout [0], which definitely suggests that they were just taxiing and turned wide. Seems most likely to be pilot error, maybe with poor visibility or braking performance or something contributing (weather seems to have been fine but I don't want to pass judgement without all the details).
Accounts on twitter claiming to have been on the airplane recounted that the aircraft went off the runway first, and that the gear failure, if there was one, happened after the plane left the runway.
Marrying your first cousin is not incest. It is weird, and great to make fum of.
Yes, Boeing has a serious culture problem. One regarding engineering, MCAS should never left the meeting room it was discussed in. And one regarding quality, that whole B737 Max door plug cluster fuck is plain unacceptable.
That their planes are shit so isn't true. Because ultimately, the B787 turned out to be a great plane, it should never heve been ruahed through development the way it was. Same for the 737 MAX with regards to MCAS.
The key point, somewhat hidden in the LWTN segment is that the way Boeing is doing things is deeply flawed. Not that the ultimate product is bad.
I say this, because with the quality culture Boeing seems to have, you will ruin even best design plane. And their quality culture, looking in from the outside and without a final FAA report, is ditramental opposed to everything I learned and saw in aerospace.
In general so, the John Oliver segment is good summary of Boeing goeing back to the B787.
If the plane can be taken out of the sky by a stray balloon, its a shit plane. The segment was about quality issues with Boeing. Similar to BMW. Yeah great engineering but crappy quality so IMO they are shit cars.
Speculation is what we do, doesn't harm anyone, and is good to prime the brain for more detailed technical information. I'm fine with it. In fact, I think I learn more about how these systems interoperate by the speculation.
Considering United has had 3 accidents in the past week, dogpiling Boeing for something that might not be their fault has the side effect of potentially letting United off the hook - if they're at fault. Which maybe both are, or maybe neither are, but the dogpile won't help sort that out.
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Accounts on twitter claiming to have been on the airplane recounted that the aircraft went off the runway first, and that the gear failure, if there was one, happened after the plane left the runway.
"737 Max suffers landing gear failure" is a sexy headline but it may be prudent to wait for a bit more information before jumping to too many conclusions - just because Boeing is fresh in everyone's minds. Wild speculation is inevitable under present circumstances but it doesn't necessarily need to happen here.
Not that Twitter is a great source of reliable information, but, well, nowhere else is either when it comes to something that happened like 2 hours ago.
Yeah VASAviation posted a video with ATC audio and the runway/taxiway layout [0], which definitely suggests that they were just taxiing and turned wide. Seems most likely to be pilot error, maybe with poor visibility or braking performance or something contributing (weather seems to have been fine but I don't want to pass judgement without all the details).
[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryS6w9b6OlE
Accounts on twitter claiming to have been on the airplane recounted that the aircraft went off the runway first, and that the gear failure, if there was one, happened after the plane left the runway.
Boeing stock did not seem to drop much on this news (at least not relative to the S&P 500, which is down), so this scenario would not have worked: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucebrumberg/2024/01/12/stakes...
Indeed, seems like it taxi'd into the grass. Could be pilot error, or mechanical, I guess.
Or even both.
One can trigger, or exacerbate, the other.
The fact the headline is probable enough that most people will read it at face value without questioning is undeniably Boeings fault.
I came here to basically say "maybe this is a United problem not a Boeing problem."
John Oliver has a great segment on why Boeing planes are crap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oCilY4szc
If that's what you took from that segmwnt, you should watch it again.
Really? I hadn’t watched it, so just invested the 30 minutes into doing that, and that’s EXACTLY what I got out of it.
And that incest, sexual harassment, lying, and contract hanky panky is a big thing in Boeing executive culture.
Marrying your first cousin is not incest. It is weird, and great to make fum of.
Yes, Boeing has a serious culture problem. One regarding engineering, MCAS should never left the meeting room it was discussed in. And one regarding quality, that whole B737 Max door plug cluster fuck is plain unacceptable.
That their planes are shit so isn't true. Because ultimately, the B787 turned out to be a great plane, it should never heve been ruahed through development the way it was. Same for the 737 MAX with regards to MCAS.
The key point, somewhat hidden in the LWTN segment is that the way Boeing is doing things is deeply flawed. Not that the ultimate product is bad.
I say this, because with the quality culture Boeing seems to have, you will ruin even best design plane. And their quality culture, looking in from the outside and without a final FAA report, is ditramental opposed to everything I learned and saw in aerospace.
In general so, the John Oliver segment is good summary of Boeing goeing back to the B787.
If the plane can be taken out of the sky by a stray balloon, its a shit plane. The segment was about quality issues with Boeing. Similar to BMW. Yeah great engineering but crappy quality so IMO they are shit cars.
Speculation is what we do, doesn't harm anyone, and is good to prime the brain for more detailed technical information. I'm fine with it. In fact, I think I learn more about how these systems interoperate by the speculation.
No, there's definitely the potential for harm.
Considering United has had 3 accidents in the past week, dogpiling Boeing for something that might not be their fault has the side effect of potentially letting United off the hook - if they're at fault. Which maybe both are, or maybe neither are, but the dogpile won't help sort that out.
Oh, there’s no doubt United is capable of this all on their own.