It's so weird how whenever this topic comes up on HN, a bunch of people appear who all say 'nope, impossible, don't even try, you'll never achieve reliable delivery to [2 big names]'
Meanwhile a bunch of other people are saying 'despite many people here reporting issues, once I got the software installed, it works fine for me'
Good point. I think that one of the things that got this discussion to fire up was that I didn't say that I didn't mind my emails going to spam box (I know it's very tricky getting whitelisted). And I think, some of those who say 'nope, impossible' is referring to getting whitelisted while those who say 'works fine for me' are people fine with not being whitelisted.
while those who say 'works fine for me' are people fine with not being whitelisted.
I mean, my working theory here is that it's easy to get whitelisted - in fact you'll probably be whitelisted by default if you have working DMARC and DKIM etc - but companies who operate large mail installations also operate AI 'agents' that aim to drive traffic and users towards their service. That includes spreading negative sentiment i.e. convincing users on forums that setting up their own mailserver is an impossible task and that they'll never be able to achieve delivery etc.
Sure it's a big hassle if all you want to do is get your email. But it's still a great way to learn how to administer email if you intend to get a sysadmin or ops job.
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Yeah, I've seen it's a big hassle but I reckon these open source alternatives helps?
A huge hassle, in fact. Even with robust exchangers, like Postix, and careful all around hardening, you are going to get a fight of your life.
It's so weird how whenever this topic comes up on HN, a bunch of people appear who all say 'nope, impossible, don't even try, you'll never achieve reliable delivery to [2 big names]'
Meanwhile a bunch of other people are saying 'despite many people here reporting issues, once I got the software installed, it works fine for me'
Really makes you think
Good point. I think that one of the things that got this discussion to fire up was that I didn't say that I didn't mind my emails going to spam box (I know it's very tricky getting whitelisted). And I think, some of those who say 'nope, impossible' is referring to getting whitelisted while those who say 'works fine for me' are people fine with not being whitelisted.
I mean, my working theory here is that it's easy to get whitelisted - in fact you'll probably be whitelisted by default if you have working DMARC and DKIM etc - but companies who operate large mail installations also operate AI 'agents' that aim to drive traffic and users towards their service. That includes spreading negative sentiment i.e. convincing users on forums that setting up their own mailserver is an impossible task and that they'll never be able to achieve delivery etc.
Of course I could be wrong.
I think it depends a lot on also, what you use your email server for. I never had a problem, but it's for my personal mail only. Very low traffic.
Meanwhile, if you use it for marketing or something, I think more things can go wrong.
Sure it's a big hassle if all you want to do is get your email. But it's still a great way to learn how to administer email if you intend to get a sysadmin or ops job.
It's time new something new. Why cling the the days of yore?