++ for KohanaPHP. It's one of the most elegant and powerful PHP5 frameworks you will find out there. The devs are great!
Positives:
* cascading filesystem with built-in support for modules
* very clean and easy to use ORM implementation
* auto loading of classes
* easy to understand syntax
* HMVC support is currently in development
* open communication between community and devs
* flexibility ... you can pretty much do whatever you want with custom class libraries, vendors without much hassle.
Negatives:
* still a relatively new framework that is changing fast, but the current trunk branch is now stable.
* expanded documentation module is in development
I had a look at Kohana after your posts, and I really like the look of it, especially since I was leaning toward CI however didn't want to learn in an environment which was supporting a mix of PHP4 and 5. If I'm learning PHP now, I may as well learn PHP5 and work in an environment which can fully facilitate that without having to bloat up and lose flexibility by supporting 4 as well.
Kohana really does look like a great framework, however after reading the forums and wiki a little I'm worried that if I begin learning now, I'll need to change a lot of what I learn in the coming months with the 2.3/3.0 branch (whatever they end up calling it) - and whatever I start building will have to change too.
This isn't a huge problem as whatever I build now will be mainly side-projects which are designed to push my learning forward (such as small e-commerce sites, rating sites, file uploader sites), however considering the changes coming soon (API etc) it's a little frustrating.
However, thanks to you two I've found Kohana which is absolutely what I was looking for. Cake is a little too bloated and complex, CI is more flexible and simple, however to appeal to a larger userbase must support also PHP4 and 5, while Kohana is very niche insofar that is all about 5 and thus very much less restricted.
I'd be interested to see what other people who have worked around these frameworks think of Kohana.
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++ for KohanaPHP. It's one of the most elegant and powerful PHP5 frameworks you will find out there. The devs are great!
Positives: * cascading filesystem with built-in support for modules * very clean and easy to use ORM implementation * auto loading of classes * easy to understand syntax * HMVC support is currently in development * open communication between community and devs * flexibility ... you can pretty much do whatever you want with custom class libraries, vendors without much hassle.
Negatives: * still a relatively new framework that is changing fast, but the current trunk branch is now stable. * expanded documentation module is in development
I had a look at Kohana after your posts, and I really like the look of it, especially since I was leaning toward CI however didn't want to learn in an environment which was supporting a mix of PHP4 and 5. If I'm learning PHP now, I may as well learn PHP5 and work in an environment which can fully facilitate that without having to bloat up and lose flexibility by supporting 4 as well.
Kohana really does look like a great framework, however after reading the forums and wiki a little I'm worried that if I begin learning now, I'll need to change a lot of what I learn in the coming months with the 2.3/3.0 branch (whatever they end up calling it) - and whatever I start building will have to change too.
This isn't a huge problem as whatever I build now will be mainly side-projects which are designed to push my learning forward (such as small e-commerce sites, rating sites, file uploader sites), however considering the changes coming soon (API etc) it's a little frustrating.
However, thanks to you two I've found Kohana which is absolutely what I was looking for. Cake is a little too bloated and complex, CI is more flexible and simple, however to appeal to a larger userbase must support also PHP4 and 5, while Kohana is very niche insofar that is all about 5 and thus very much less restricted.
I'd be interested to see what other people who have worked around these frameworks think of Kohana.
I agree they have a very elegant design.
I built a MVC framework for my project using their style and ended up learning a lot from them.
Also, about it being a new framework; the last I checked they were making a big change to the routing methods and folder structure.