That's another absurd point about our public debates: No one cares to share some facts. It feels like it's all based on gut feeling and emotions.
As far as I know, we don't have official numbers (at least not shared as part of the discussion). But what we know is, those scanners have a significantly high error rate and will overwhelm law enforcement with false-positives. What we also know is that law enforcement is simply not competent enough, there was a case in Germany where they just removed links in a Forum forgetting to sweep the according link targets to file hosters.
It is the issue under discussion. The justification for prohibiting the material is that its production requires child abuse. But copying doesn't require additional production. It may have even gone down if dissemination of existing images competes with new production, or wider dissemination makes it easier for law enforcement to obtain the images and use them to track down the producers. Whether or not the amount of abuse increased is then quite relevant.
No, the issue is the proliferation of CSAM. Reducing child abuse in CSAM production is only one of the reasons its prohibited. I find it hard to believe that a long time technology advocate like yourself is unaware of the fact that the circulation of older CSAM continues to hurt people who were abused in its manufacture.
Your comment unfortunately exemplifies the problem of tech people trying to define the problem away rather than directly address the harms involved or propose privacy-respecting technical solutions to proactively mitigate it.
Reducing child abuse in CSAM production is only one of the reasons its prohibited.
It is the primary reason that it's prohibited, outweighing any other reason by an order of magnitude.
I find it hard to believe that a long time technology advocate like yourself is unaware of the fact that the circulation of older CSAM continues to hurt people who were abused in its manufacture.
That depends on how they feel about it. If it is the case that dissemination of existing material reduces the production of new material, no one could be faulted for wanting what they went through to prevent someone else from being forced to go through it too, if at all possible.
Your comment unfortunately exemplifies the problem of tech people trying to define the problem away rather than directly address the harms involved or propose privacy-respecting technical solutions to proactively mitigate it.
There isn't any known privacy-respecting technical solution and it may not even be possible for one to exist. You can't tell if someone's secret is unlawful without knowing what it is, but anything with access to all of everyone's secrets is inherently a comprehensive violation of everyone's privacy. Any technological solution that could be used for this could not be limited to being used for this.
Fundamentally what you're asking for is the technology to violate everyone's privacy, so that you can violate the privacy of child abusers. But the technology doesn't care what you use it for. It can't be limited to only being used against bad guys.
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Do you know if actual child abuse also proliferated?
That's another absurd point about our public debates: No one cares to share some facts. It feels like it's all based on gut feeling and emotions.
As far as I know, we don't have official numbers (at least not shared as part of the discussion). But what we know is, those scanners have a significantly high error rate and will overwhelm law enforcement with false-positives. What we also know is that law enforcement is simply not competent enough, there was a case in Germany where they just removed links in a Forum forgetting to sweep the according link targets to file hosters.
That's a different question, isn't it? Maybe you should explore it on its own rather than letting it distract from the issue under discussion.
It is the issue under discussion. The justification for prohibiting the material is that its production requires child abuse. But copying doesn't require additional production. It may have even gone down if dissemination of existing images competes with new production, or wider dissemination makes it easier for law enforcement to obtain the images and use them to track down the producers. Whether or not the amount of abuse increased is then quite relevant.
No, the issue is the proliferation of CSAM. Reducing child abuse in CSAM production is only one of the reasons its prohibited. I find it hard to believe that a long time technology advocate like yourself is unaware of the fact that the circulation of older CSAM continues to hurt people who were abused in its manufacture.
Your comment unfortunately exemplifies the problem of tech people trying to define the problem away rather than directly address the harms involved or propose privacy-respecting technical solutions to proactively mitigate it.
It is the primary reason that it's prohibited, outweighing any other reason by an order of magnitude.
That depends on how they feel about it. If it is the case that dissemination of existing material reduces the production of new material, no one could be faulted for wanting what they went through to prevent someone else from being forced to go through it too, if at all possible.
There isn't any known privacy-respecting technical solution and it may not even be possible for one to exist. You can't tell if someone's secret is unlawful without knowing what it is, but anything with access to all of everyone's secrets is inherently a comprehensive violation of everyone's privacy. Any technological solution that could be used for this could not be limited to being used for this.
Fundamentally what you're asking for is the technology to violate everyone's privacy, so that you can violate the privacy of child abusers. But the technology doesn't care what you use it for. It can't be limited to only being used against bad guys.