Well congestion pricing improves vehicle traffic in tunnels, that's the point.
And trains can be ramped up and down mostly in response to demand, no? It's not a question of underlying track capacity, is it?
I mean I've never heard of someone driving from NJ to NY instead of taking the train because the train was too full. It's usually the opposite -- they take the train instead of the car because the traffic is too slow.
Ah got it, you're talking specifically about the Hudson. Turns out the new tunnels won't be finished until 2035.
Still, congestion pricing seems like the best solution even for right now. Reducing car traffic underneath the Hudson means buses can run faster and we can add more of them, since that's literally the only short-term solution.
Oh I agree! We need all these things, we can’t have them, but let’s do what we can to make things better. Driving south of midtown Manhattan for me is a luxury and paying the cost will clearly show how it’s wasteful and costly to the neighborhoods I’m driving through. I probably just won’t do it.
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Capacity. Trains are packed every morning and afternoon. TUNNELS are packed. There is no excess capacity to move people under the Hudson River.
The trains I take (6th Ave) aren’t especially packed. Pre Covid the Lex line and the L were always awful. Not sure if they’ve gotten back to peak.
Even with all that crowding there are still parts of cars that everyone avoids because Adams’ NYPD won’t do its job.
NJ Transit is packed every weekday now that people are back from the beach.
Well congestion pricing improves vehicle traffic in tunnels, that's the point.
And trains can be ramped up and down mostly in response to demand, no? It's not a question of underlying track capacity, is it?
I mean I've never heard of someone driving from NJ to NY instead of taking the train because the train was too full. It's usually the opposite -- they take the train instead of the car because the traffic is too slow.
I am talking about train tunnels, there is literally no more capacity.
Ah got it, you're talking specifically about the Hudson. Turns out the new tunnels won't be finished until 2035.
Still, congestion pricing seems like the best solution even for right now. Reducing car traffic underneath the Hudson means buses can run faster and we can add more of them, since that's literally the only short-term solution.
Oh I agree! We need all these things, we can’t have them, but let’s do what we can to make things better. Driving south of midtown Manhattan for me is a luxury and paying the cost will clearly show how it’s wasteful and costly to the neighborhoods I’m driving through. I probably just won’t do it.