Every time people try to point this out, a less privileged Jewish person points out the less privileged Jewish people as if proof that nobody can see with their own eyes that, yes, there is also heavily disproportionate representation of Jewish people in an influential caste of US society
Why is that deflection the depth of the discussion, not everyone is trying to exclude Jewish people or start a pogrom over these observations, but the depth of the discussion seems more like a deflection just in case, and I dont think its that helpful
like, is there something other groups could learn, perhaps even the less privileged Jewish people?
Because the discussion unfortunately devolves almost immediately into appallingly anti-semitic nonsense. I think that many minority groups tend to stick together because not only is it practical, but it keeps them close to their culture. The side effect of that is that success "stays in" the group.
I observe a similar effect in my partner's family. My partner is Vietnamese, and their family placed heavy value on personal success, or the success of who they married. I can't speak for Vietnamese culture, but it may be a cultural value too. The result? One half of the family is incredibly well off, and the other half is supported by them to help raise them beyond their circumstance. It isn't a conspiracy as some posit, it's familial love and mutual support.
One could argue they are doing the same as what Jews who came to the US also did: stick together and help each other, because it's a rough world out there. Some decry it as nepotism, as if those who are wealthy are not allowed to have preference for their own kind simply because they are wealthy. In that same vein, not everyone proves to be successful. It can simply be a matter of statistics or circumstance, but people place the blame on the individual or the group at the wrong times.
I for one avoid any discussion on the matter because all too often it proves non-conductive to actually useful conversation.
Some decry it as nepotism, as if those who are wealthy are not allowed to have preference for their own kind simply because they are wealthy.
Eh, I don’t think it was okay for the WASP owners of the Los Angeles Country Club to “prefer their own kind”.
Maybe the right heuristic is something like: the more power and dominance a group of people have, the less okay it is for them to have preferences for others within that group.
Well mainly because the universities themselves frame it antisemitically, by tacitly splitting up a certain number of "white" seats between Jews and non-Jews. If they threw Jews in with the "diversity seats" or with Asians you wouldn't hear so much about the Jews taking away "our" (eg: non-Jewish white) university seats, since the minority with which we were being made to "compete" would be a lot smaller.
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Every time people try to point this out, a less privileged Jewish person points out the less privileged Jewish people as if proof that nobody can see with their own eyes that, yes, there is also heavily disproportionate representation of Jewish people in an influential caste of US society
Why is that deflection the depth of the discussion, not everyone is trying to exclude Jewish people or start a pogrom over these observations, but the depth of the discussion seems more like a deflection just in case, and I dont think its that helpful
like, is there something other groups could learn, perhaps even the less privileged Jewish people?
Because the discussion unfortunately devolves almost immediately into appallingly anti-semitic nonsense. I think that many minority groups tend to stick together because not only is it practical, but it keeps them close to their culture. The side effect of that is that success "stays in" the group.
I observe a similar effect in my partner's family. My partner is Vietnamese, and their family placed heavy value on personal success, or the success of who they married. I can't speak for Vietnamese culture, but it may be a cultural value too. The result? One half of the family is incredibly well off, and the other half is supported by them to help raise them beyond their circumstance. It isn't a conspiracy as some posit, it's familial love and mutual support.
One could argue they are doing the same as what Jews who came to the US also did: stick together and help each other, because it's a rough world out there. Some decry it as nepotism, as if those who are wealthy are not allowed to have preference for their own kind simply because they are wealthy. In that same vein, not everyone proves to be successful. It can simply be a matter of statistics or circumstance, but people place the blame on the individual or the group at the wrong times.
I for one avoid any discussion on the matter because all too often it proves non-conductive to actually useful conversation.
Some decry it as nepotism, as if those who are wealthy are not allowed to have preference for their own kind simply because they are wealthy.
Eh, I don’t think it was okay for the WASP owners of the Los Angeles Country Club to “prefer their own kind”.
Maybe the right heuristic is something like: the more power and dominance a group of people have, the less okay it is for them to have preferences for others within that group.
Well mainly because the universities themselves frame it antisemitically, by tacitly splitting up a certain number of "white" seats between Jews and non-Jews. If they threw Jews in with the "diversity seats" or with Asians you wouldn't hear so much about the Jews taking away "our" (eg: non-Jewish white) university seats, since the minority with which we were being made to "compete" would be a lot smaller.