Note xwayland isn't included in that. Also some read deprecation as already replaced which isn't necessarily the same thing.
Being Asahi is not only brand new but not even near a first stable release the amount of surprise about the lack of xorg focus seems as silly as those that act like wayland reached parity 2 years ago
I do wonder if that isn't a solution. Couldn't they just ship rootful xwayland as the officially supported X server on Asahi, thereby being able to drop X.org without trashing people's setups?
Edit: This is a suggestion, not a "well why didn't they just do this".
XWayland is just an X server on top of Wayland. You could use it to run your whole desktop, but it's not the best use for it. It's really just great at running legacy applications without a Wayland version (especially old games and such).
This planet. GNOME and KDE have both announced Wayland is default for future releases and they are working towards depreciation.
Red Hat has announced they are depreciating Xorg already; which is a huge deal because they are almost single-handedly the only contributor keeping Xorg alive. Once they are done, work on Xorg will basically cease forever.
Considering Xorg is based on X11 which dates back to June 1984, I can’t blame them. A graphics system from 1984 is not suitable for 2023 in any capacity. Not without a ton of hacks, workarounds, and jank everywhere.
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which is quickly becoming deprecated for Wayland
On what planet is this true?
update: I sit somewhat corrected. I have retried KDE with an NVidia card and /usr/bin/Xwayland and am impressed. Not 100% perfect, but very usable.
Note xwayland isn't included in that. Also some read deprecation as already replaced which isn't necessarily the same thing.
Being Asahi is not only brand new but not even near a first stable release the amount of surprise about the lack of xorg focus seems as silly as those that act like wayland reached parity 2 years ago
I do wonder if that isn't a solution. Couldn't they just ship rootful xwayland as the officially supported X server on Asahi, thereby being able to drop X.org without trashing people's setups?
Edit: This is a suggestion, not a "well why didn't they just do this".
XWayland is just an X server on top of Wayland. You could use it to run your whole desktop, but it's not the best use for it. It's really just great at running legacy applications without a Wayland version (especially old games and such).
This planet. GNOME and KDE have both announced Wayland is default for future releases and they are working towards depreciation.
Red Hat has announced they are depreciating Xorg already; which is a huge deal because they are almost single-handedly the only contributor keeping Xorg alive. Once they are done, work on Xorg will basically cease forever.
Considering Xorg is based on X11 which dates back to June 1984, I can’t blame them. A graphics system from 1984 is not suitable for 2023 in any capacity. Not without a ton of hacks, workarounds, and jank everywhere.
OT friendly reminder:
"depreciation" happens when capital investments lose value over time, often for tax purposes.
"deprecation" is when the builders of a tool want to discourage you from using the tool going forward because a better solution exists.
The latter is the one that applies to software.
I know, but I work on a smartphone with ambitious autocorrect.
But it still won't be at parity or stability with X11 for the next... 10 years, is my guess?
So, yes, there's striving to a Wayland, post-X11 future, but it's far from the sure thing that X11 is.
Seems to be closer than I thought.
earth?