I mean... they constantly are? Webworkers, webgl, web___, are constantly getting added. The DOM as a model of state is something web devs live with. Often without understanding it. I'm not sure I would count that as a feature.
That said, I don't mean this to be disdain. Having a somewhat targetable VM like environment to deploy applications to is a huge thing. That it has some fairly capable visualization capabilities built in is not a small thing.
That all said, I do think we are still far from how productive a small staff could be with some of the form builders of yesteryear. I'm also not entirely clear those left you with less legacy cruft than the equivalents today. :(
that's nonsense. As OP points out the bedrock of the web is a protocol designed for displaying more or less plain text documents from the 90s and everything else is essentially a hack on top of it. Native apps have plenty of ideas worth stealing, it's just that this is pretty tough to do. (the event based style of web apps for example as a mechanism existed forever in just about any desktop ui framework).
I think you really limit yourself by having such an ardent stance, that creates a place where you are unable to explore the possibility of success by anchoring yourself to very old historical facts.
The web was trying to be a connected online media form from the get go. Calling everything but text a hack is a maligning that seems at best a half truth.
Even if it was a "hack," it's been evolved & changed so much. There's been so much experimentation & so much living with hard constraints for a decade & finally making revolutionary change. Flex ix, grid layout, just hundreds of really amazing sweet super well done improvements to css & we components. It's an incredible blank slate that expresses so many really interesting & open experiences & UIs.
I agree with the parent poster & with you. The web has stolen most of the good ideas from native apps. Most of that is via frameworks & libraries rather than the web itself, & to me, it's amazing that the web can keep innovating & changing it's form to meet developer preferences, while the low level "hack" platform remains. That diversity & possibility is a sign of great success, that it can seed such diverse & competent different modes of development so gracefully.
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If native apps had ideas worth stealing the web would have by now.
I mean... they constantly are? Webworkers, webgl, web___, are constantly getting added. The DOM as a model of state is something web devs live with. Often without understanding it. I'm not sure I would count that as a feature.
That said, I don't mean this to be disdain. Having a somewhat targetable VM like environment to deploy applications to is a huge thing. That it has some fairly capable visualization capabilities built in is not a small thing.
That all said, I do think we are still far from how productive a small staff could be with some of the form builders of yesteryear. I'm also not entirely clear those left you with less legacy cruft than the equivalents today. :(
From the top of my head native input controls and buttons and MVC.
that's nonsense. As OP points out the bedrock of the web is a protocol designed for displaying more or less plain text documents from the 90s and everything else is essentially a hack on top of it. Native apps have plenty of ideas worth stealing, it's just that this is pretty tough to do. (the event based style of web apps for example as a mechanism existed forever in just about any desktop ui framework).
I think you really limit yourself by having such an ardent stance, that creates a place where you are unable to explore the possibility of success by anchoring yourself to very old historical facts.
The web was trying to be a connected online media form from the get go. Calling everything but text a hack is a maligning that seems at best a half truth.
Even if it was a "hack," it's been evolved & changed so much. There's been so much experimentation & so much living with hard constraints for a decade & finally making revolutionary change. Flex ix, grid layout, just hundreds of really amazing sweet super well done improvements to css & we components. It's an incredible blank slate that expresses so many really interesting & open experiences & UIs.
I agree with the parent poster & with you. The web has stolen most of the good ideas from native apps. Most of that is via frameworks & libraries rather than the web itself, & to me, it's amazing that the web can keep innovating & changing it's form to meet developer preferences, while the low level "hack" platform remains. That diversity & possibility is a sign of great success, that it can seed such diverse & competent different modes of development so gracefully.
the web's main problem is that they can't innovate without breaking everything, and they can't break compatibility.
So worth or not, doesn't matter.