Their interest is not 'having a conversation'. They have degenerated into monopolists. Let us clarify the game they play:

One year they lobby government to strengthen enforcement. They say: piracy means they are not getting what the law says is their due. (it sounds almost reasonable!)

The next year they lobby government to expand copyright. That is: they are deciding for themselves what is their due.

Far from the general public interest, and, indeed, plainly very far from the free market.