The problem is people are using that technology. What you're saying is akin to "Guns don't kill people, people kill people", and that's true. But it's also true that people who don't have guns don't kill people with guns and if no one had guns no one would be killed by them.
I think it's fair to "get mad" at those who produce and profit by making and selling guns and hold them responsible for murders committed with them. Same with Tesla.
In both of those cases the manufacturer knows they can be deadly, and that they cause deaths. I won't make any leaps to try and disconnect those facts.
I make and sell software. If my software was causing folks to die I would stop selling it. It wouldn't matter at all if the users misused it.
What you're saying is akin to "Guns don't kill people, people kill people", and that's true.
And to extend that analogy, let's say Smith and Wesson made a gun that was marketed as having a safety, but in reality the safety didn't fully work and every now and then someone was killed because the gun unexpectedly went off.
I'm gonna guess we wouldn't have folks coming out defending Smith and Wesson and blaming the owner.
I'm gonna guess we wouldn't have folks coming out defending Smith and Wesson and blaming the owner.
Oh, but you absolutely would. You should not be pointing a loaded gun in the direction of a human being, safety or not, unless you intend to kill them.
The self-driving is oversold. People who have driven with Autosteer and Autopilot will know that you should not let go of the wheel if there is any irregularity in the road, the traffic, or even the weather.
I just can’t understand how gullible people are if they let the car steer unattended in an adversarial environment. It makes several really bad choices per hour! But then again, maybe programmers are generally more pessimistic about the reliability of software systems
”Oh, but you absolutely would. You should not be pointing a loaded gun in the direction of a human being, safety or not, unless you intend to kill them.”
To extend the metaphor ever more haha, this is such a great way to put it. This applies directly to my point. If Autopilot is the ‘safety’ on the gun, and someone still points the ‘loaded gun’ (the Tesla) at another human, that’s 100% on them. We can’t abdicate their responsibility because the ‘safety’ was broken. The operator should have never pointed the gun at a person in the first place.
Your response feels like a logical fallacy to me. You can get mad at the manufacturer, and maybe there is an argument to be made, I'm willing to reconsider the way I phrased it before. But the fact is, the driver is responsible for what happens when they are behind the wheel, no matter what technology they happen to be using. Full Stop. These aren’t autonomous, driver-less vehicles. If there is an accident, because a technology was used improperly, then that individual is at fault. So I choose to get upset with them and their carelessness, I don't know how else to put it.
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The problem is people are using that technology. What you're saying is akin to "Guns don't kill people, people kill people", and that's true. But it's also true that people who don't have guns don't kill people with guns and if no one had guns no one would be killed by them.
I think it's fair to "get mad" at those who produce and profit by making and selling guns and hold them responsible for murders committed with them. Same with Tesla.
In both of those cases the manufacturer knows they can be deadly, and that they cause deaths. I won't make any leaps to try and disconnect those facts.
I make and sell software. If my software was causing folks to die I would stop selling it. It wouldn't matter at all if the users misused it.
And to extend that analogy, let's say Smith and Wesson made a gun that was marketed as having a safety, but in reality the safety didn't fully work and every now and then someone was killed because the gun unexpectedly went off.
I'm gonna guess we wouldn't have folks coming out defending Smith and Wesson and blaming the owner.
Oh, but you absolutely would. You should not be pointing a loaded gun in the direction of a human being, safety or not, unless you intend to kill them.
The self-driving is oversold. People who have driven with Autosteer and Autopilot will know that you should not let go of the wheel if there is any irregularity in the road, the traffic, or even the weather.
I just can’t understand how gullible people are if they let the car steer unattended in an adversarial environment. It makes several really bad choices per hour! But then again, maybe programmers are generally more pessimistic about the reliability of software systems
To extend the metaphor ever more haha, this is such a great way to put it. This applies directly to my point. If Autopilot is the ‘safety’ on the gun, and someone still points the ‘loaded gun’ (the Tesla) at another human, that’s 100% on them. We can’t abdicate their responsibility because the ‘safety’ was broken. The operator should have never pointed the gun at a person in the first place.
Your response feels like a logical fallacy to me. You can get mad at the manufacturer, and maybe there is an argument to be made, I'm willing to reconsider the way I phrased it before. But the fact is, the driver is responsible for what happens when they are behind the wheel, no matter what technology they happen to be using. Full Stop. These aren’t autonomous, driver-less vehicles. If there is an accident, because a technology was used improperly, then that individual is at fault. So I choose to get upset with them and their carelessness, I don't know how else to put it.