I don't see how your argument refutes living clouds. Hurricanes, after all, are self-organized heat engines, a proto-life that is hampered on Earth by very marginal conditions and that pesky dry land.
On gas giants, the conditions are much better for sustainable 'life' of long-lived cyclones, you can see huge amounts of them on Jupiter an Saturn, even very long-lived ones (hello The Great Red Spot). Instances of these cyclones merging with ('eating') each other are well-documented.
Yes, they work on very different scales (both space- and time-) then us, and might have problems reaching high-intelligence in reasonable time, but I see no reason a long-lived giant cyclonic storm can't match the complexity of small bacteria. In the environment they 'live' they would interact with similar 'life' on a continuous basis and the more successful ones would survive and might even 'evolve' in a Darwinian fashion.
This shows that the chemistry-based arguments are way too limiting.
Of course, stars themselves are a prime example of self-sustaining energy-extraction 'life', again, absolutely without the need for chemistry - there the problem is that the meaningful interaction with the outside environment is rather limited (on the star's scale) so it would be more difficult to 'evolve'. I would still like to see self-sustaining solitons of magnetic energy thriving in/on the stars, competeing with each other (and their interactions/fights ending up in solar flares), but I am not sure such things can work (unlike hurricanes, that definitely work).
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I don't see how your argument refutes living clouds. Hurricanes, after all, are self-organized heat engines, a proto-life that is hampered on Earth by very marginal conditions and that pesky dry land.
On gas giants, the conditions are much better for sustainable 'life' of long-lived cyclones, you can see huge amounts of them on Jupiter an Saturn, even very long-lived ones (hello The Great Red Spot). Instances of these cyclones merging with ('eating') each other are well-documented.
Yes, they work on very different scales (both space- and time-) then us, and might have problems reaching high-intelligence in reasonable time, but I see no reason a long-lived giant cyclonic storm can't match the complexity of small bacteria. In the environment they 'live' they would interact with similar 'life' on a continuous basis and the more successful ones would survive and might even 'evolve' in a Darwinian fashion.
This shows that the chemistry-based arguments are way too limiting.
Of course, stars themselves are a prime example of self-sustaining energy-extraction 'life', again, absolutely without the need for chemistry - there the problem is that the meaningful interaction with the outside environment is rather limited (on the star's scale) so it would be more difficult to 'evolve'. I would still like to see self-sustaining solitons of magnetic energy thriving in/on the stars, competeing with each other (and their interactions/fights ending up in solar flares), but I am not sure such things can work (unlike hurricanes, that definitely work).