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Comment on Ask HN: For SOPA proponents, what is wrong with DMCA? Why isn't it good enough?

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SOPA explicitly does not have the power to silence sites based in the US. This is because the DCMA already applies to those sites. So SOPA won't block facebook, or youtube, or google, or any other US based site. The problem occurs when a site isn't in the US. A rights holder can't send a DCMA takedown notice to The Pirate Bay for instance.

SOPA gives an alternative for rights holders when faced with a foreign site. They can ask for the site to be blocked at the DNS level by ISP's. They can prohibit any US based payment processor from paying the infringing site money. Rights holders can even ask search engines to block infringing sites.

Basically it stems from "As a rights holder, what can I do to prevent my work from being stolen internationally?" Some people in congress believe they have found a way to help rights holders in this position. Unfortunately there are some extremely serious mostly unintended consequences of these new powers.

>Unfortunately there are some extremely serious mostly unintended consequences of these new powers.

Is this alone from poor wording of the legislation? Could these issues be addressed by simply reformulating the SOPA legislature? Or do these issues stem from how violations are determined, or how the process is implemented? Is there too much left up for loose interpretation?

In my opinion the issues stem mostly from how violations are determined. Basically in the current wording, a rightsholder would go to the US Department of Justice (I think) and put in a complaint stating that "website X has unauthorized copies of my work on their site." The DoJ and the rights holder would then go to a federal judge and say "here is our evidence." If the judge agreed with the DoJ and the Rights holder, they could issue a court order to ISP's, payment processors and search engines to block the site. The accused infringer is never given a chance to face their accuser or even know that they are under investigation.

> The accused infringer is never given a chance to face their accuser or even know that they are under investigation.

So, how about if the legislation required a DMCA adherence clause--that before a site could be taken down an official notice would need to be sent to administrative contact of the domain. If no official response is received in X days then the DOJ could issue a black listing. However, if the administrator does respond either by complying or by issuing a counter claim then the DOJ could not issue a black listing. The issue would have to be worked out the way DMCA conflicts are worked out. Now, should the initial DMCA take down notice be found to be legitimate and the site operator still does not comply in X days, then the DOJ may issue a black listing.

Would that resolve your concern?

What you describe would be orders of magnitude better than the current bill. That is how most court cases in the US today are run. I accuse you, the court issues a sopena for you (which you must receive), if you don't show up, you automatically lose the case. The problem then becomes, there is no way to internationally issue sopenas. The solution you gave was "if no official response is received in X days then ..." however a smart infringer could then sue for something along the lines of "our administrative contact was our (hosting company, private DNS listing company, at a non-existing building, made up, etc.), thus it never got to us" there is a way to write law to deal with all of these cases but it would not be easy to write for international dealings. (And I doubt anyone in congress understands how DNS records are listed enough to understand how to write it correctly)

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